shared cockpit?

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Hey everyone!I got a question about shared cockpit feature and I really hope someone does know something about it, because I'm almost desperate.Some background: Me and a friend of mine are quite keen on flying a 3rd party payware jet airliner as pilot/co-pilot over VATSIM or IVAO. The bad thing is no one ever mentiones if his add-on aircraft supports the shared cockpit feature. And I mean no one. Neither in the reviewers in different websites, nor the producers themselves. This seems to be some dreadful secret or this multiplayer feature of MSX is completely ignored. I even got a reply from a producer who asks 30/40 euro per airplane stating

"we have not tested and do not support any possible issues in multiplayer. There are no specific developed multiplayer features provided."

which got me even more frustrated and buffled. After 2 or 3 weeks research I got the feeling the only aircraft which would support co-piloting is still in production with the elaborate realease date of "2010" :( Am I missing something?Question: Can anyone recommend / confirm which 3rd party payware aircraft supports this feature? Does anyone fly that way at all? Any information will be greatly appreciated.cheerslowP.S. feel free to PM me if mentioning certain 3rd party aircraft producers would be frowned upon as advertising.

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"we have not tested and do not support any possible issues in multiplayer. There are no specific developed multiplayer features provided."

I believe what they are saying is this.(1) We have not developed any ADDITIONAL Multiplayer SHARED COCKPIT functionality, that is not already in FSX.ie. None of the additional Guages or control developed for this aircarft, have been programmed to support Shared Cockpit. Only the STANDARD ones, included in FSX should work .. but we do not provide support, even for these.So, you are left with the plane being PARTLY Shared Cockpit compatible. Standard FSX native item "should" continue to work, but Custom Gauges have NOT been writte to support Shared Cockpit, and therefore will not syncronize between the Pilot's and Co-Pilots Computer.Only Standard FSX items, "Should" .. ------------------SHARED COCKPIT is proably the single most exciting addition in FSX, but due to lack of promotion, Gamespy issues turning so many off Multiplayer, and the lack of any Shared Cockpit SDK till many years after the release of FSX, has resulted in very little support or interest in Multiplayer , especially Shared Cockpit. A great shame, as are so many things associated with FSX :(Geoff

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Hey Geoff,thanks for the clarification. I confess I had no idea what the hell they were saying. The whole situation begins to get disheartening to me...

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An update of the research I was forced to do, if anyone is interested:I have received official statement from PMDG: "The Shared cockpit function in FSX is not currently compatible with the PMDG product line. We attempted to implement this process during development of the PMDG product line but could never get it to perform successfully so it was abandoned. We will be looking at it again on the 737NGX"Flightsimlabs.com whose Concorde-X is on the assembly line at the moment also mention technical difficulties:http://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?...ndpost__p__2766Airsimmer's A320 is on its way to release and seems it will support shared cockpit.FSX is 4 years old now and quite surprisingly, I can count the aircraft which support shared cockpit on the fingers of ONE of my hands. After digging deeper into the community websites, 3rd party producers' forums, etc., it seems that Microsoft had produced rather buggy and unstable platform in which the shared cockpit is severely crippled and it exists almost only on paper, when it comes to custom gauges/instruments. The thing is that every self-respected aircraft producer does not use the default FSX gauges and instruments. You can see where this is going to. So the most companies just dumped the shared cockpit feature on grounds that it's too difficult to implement. I have checked almost 95% of the market - CS, CLS, LevelD, PMDG, DA, you name it. Up till now I have found exactly THREE sharable aircraft:Available now:- DA Fokker 70/100 @ http://www.digital-aviation.de/site/?page_id=7- L39 Albatros @ http://www.lotussim.com/features-intro.html- MadDog MD-80 series @ http://www.flythemaddog.com/features.phpUpcoming that would support shared cockpit (given they find a way to implement it)- Flightsimlabs Concorde-X (in final beta testing)- Airsimmer A320 (not clear release date)- PMDG 737NGX (somewhere in 2010)Of those listed I can say the DA is awesome company, love their Piper Cheyenne, regretfully I don't feel like flying on the 2D cockpit of the Fokker. The L39 is an awesome bird, but since it's a military training subsonic jet, I imagine we would be frowned upon if we want to fly it online with people in 737s for example, although it has proper GPS navigation and we are willing to fly strictly with SIDs and STARs and everything else that involves ATC.And lastly (praise the aviation gods) the mad dog. This is the only airplane when it comes to flying commercial jet with a friend. Fully functional 2D and 3D cockpit, fully sharable over a custom TCP/IP channel (outside FSX), control panel, custom settings, load and fuel manager, etc. Fully working FMC (less features than the CS 757 FMC for example, but who cares). It does not have its own navdata, but it's built on the PMDG one and thus you use the PMDG one. Simulated failures across every system of the aircraft if you want some thrills. I can wholeheartedly recommend it to everyone who wanna fly with a friend, despite its hefty price of 50 euro.Despite it's dark times for the flightsim community, there's a light in the tunnel after all - AeroSoft is making a new flight sim, scheduled to release in Q2 2012. Last night I browsed the forum and I am completely stunned by the scale of the project. It can be found @ http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showforum=278. I can recommend reading it, it's quite interesting. The way I see it, the whole flightsim community needs new sim right now, so everyone is invited to help them. FSX is aging and with ACES being booted last January does not help at all. I almost can feel the addon market producers headaches when they try to implement some serious features and being constrained by the buggy platform.Cheerslow

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Available now:- DA Fokker 70/100 @ http://www.digital-aviation.de/site/?page_id=7- MadDog MD-80 series @ http://www.flythemaddog.com/features.php

But those two have nothing to do with the FSX feature since they also work on FS9. I remember there's a little tool for FS9 which lets you share the cockpit of any airplane, just like it is implemented in the MadDog and the DA F100.

Fully working FMC (less features than the CS 757 FMC for example, but who cares). It does not have its own navdata, but it's built on the PMDG one and thus you use the PMDG one. Simulated failures across every system of the aircraft if you want some thrills. I can wholeheartedly recommend it to everyone who wanna fly with a friend, despite its hefty price of 50 euro.

The 757 FMS has more functions because it is a more advanced airplane. The FMS' implemented in the MadDog are the ones used on the real airplane. And 50 euros for THAT add-on...let me tell you, the Leonardo MadDog and the Aeroworx B200 are the only add-on airplanes installed on my FS right now.

FSX is 4 years old now

Yet so many people still considers FS9 their favourite FS platform...

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Be blessed in ******* Name,Rainer Yvonné KlawonnéHey everyone!I got a question about shared cockpit feature and I really hope someone does know something about it, because I'm almost desperate.Some background: Me and a friend of mine are quite keen on flying a 3rd party payware jet airliner as pilot/co-pilot over VATSIM or IVAO. The bad thing is no one ever mentiones if his add-on aircraft supports the shared cockpit feature. And I mean no one. Neither in the reviewers in different websites, nor the producers themselves. This seems to be some dreadful secret or this multiplayer feature of MSX is completely ignored. I even got a reply from a producer who asks 30/40 euro per airplane stating which got me even more frustrated and buffled. After 2 or 3 weeks research I got the feeling the only aircraft which would support co-piloting is still in production with the elaborate realease date of "2010" :( Am I missing something?Question: Can anyone recommend / confirm which 3rd party payware aircraft supports this feature? Does anyone fly that way at all? Any information will be greatly appreciated.cheerslowP.S. feel free to PM me if mentioning certain 3rd party aircraft producers would be frowned upon as advertising.