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Hi,OK, thanks for that, but remember that WA data covers large areas which would mean the whole area around that station would be stuck, not just at this station. It is something we can all keep our eye on this.
Checking the identifier ETHT from the master list of METAR stations at http://aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/stations.txt, the letter "Z" is appended to the airport code, indicating that the reporting station is (possibly) obsolete. Indeed, ETHT does not appear to currently report METARS - either on any of the aviation weather sites (U.S. and European), nor in ASE's own current weather snapshot - which is why the surface obs are always interpolated.It occurs to me that perhaps your server is storing the last WA data for ETHT from when it was still a valid reporting station - could it be that if that location no longer reports, said data is now orphaned and no longer updates? (Just a theory - not sure how your servers capture and store WX obs.)In the above-listed master METAR list from NOAA, it appears that quite a few of the "ET" stations located in the former East Germany are also annotated with a "Z", indicating that the stations may no longer be in service... or may have changed their ICAO codes?Another user (Chris - "Creppel") noted that there was an ICAO identifier EDCD, also referencing Cottbus - though this appears to be a different airport in the same general vicinity. ETHT was a military airfield, while EDCD is a civilian airport, and though they are close, their individual LAT/LON does differ.Unfortunately EDCD does not appear on any METAR site either, and does not exist in the NOAA master METAR list. Too new perhaps? Or maybe too small to be a METAR reporting site.Jim Barrett

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Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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There are some airfields in Germany not longer used by Army.Found ETGW and ETIN which are providing wrong winds aloft and are marked with a Z.ETHT airfield is out of service since 2003! EDCD is just in the same city and exist since 1995 as civil airport.ETGW (Google doesn´t help much ;-)) out of service for about 20 years!ETIN closed too.I think we cannot expect correct data from closed airfields.

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Hi All,Winds aloft data does not depend on individual stations and it doesn't come from individual stations. It depends on your location in FS. In fact you could delete every station in FS and ASE would still provide the winds aloft. How, by your lat. and long information.

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Hi All,Winds aloft data does not depend on individual stations and it doesn't come from individual stations. It depends on your location in FS. In fact you could delete every station in FS and ASE would still provide the winds aloft. How, by your lat. and long information.
Jim, it is now March 20th (21st GMT), at the reporting station ETHT is still showing the same upper winds data in ASE that is has been showing for at least the past two weeks.I just loaded the latest weather in ASE at 01:44Z, 21 March. Below is a list of winds aloft observed by "Creppel" on 08 March, (first column) vs. what I am seeing this evening, on 21 March (2nd column).3K 208/24/-1.0 --- 210/27/-0.06K 204/34/-6.3 --- 204/32/-6.99K 214/41/-6.3 --- 214/39/-6.712K 203/45/-12.8 --- 203/43/-13.218K 196/58/-24.2 --- 194/56/-24.524K 194/78/-34.7 --- 191/75/-34.530K 189/94/-45.2 --- 189/89/-45.534K 187/88/-50.7 --- 188/84/-51.139K 186/62/-52.9 --- 183/61/-51.944K 182/45/-54.6 --- 180/44/-54.649K 182/35/-57.4 --- 180/34/-56.6As you can see, these two data sets are exactly the same, (with only minor differences), just as was the case when I last reported this several days ago.Looking at the upper air map in ASE right at the present moment at FL 340, at 1000 mile map range, it is showing a mixture of northerly and southerly wind arrows over France and Germany. This is not correct.Meteorology has been my hobby for over 30 years, and I own several professional-grade software packages for the real-time display and analysis of surface and upper air data, including IGES GRADS, Digital Atmosphere, VIS5D, and Unisys WXP. ALL of them are showing the same thing for the current date and time for the upper winds over Western Europe, which is to say that there is no southerly component to the winds above 30,000 feet anywhere over France or Germany - all winds are currently from the north to northwest. The latest 21 March upper winds charts from the USAF and the UKMet office at Bracknell show the same.I've been focusing specifically on the incorrect data at ETHT, but the fact that the ASE map screen shows any southerly arrows whatsoever over France and Germany leads me to believe that ETHT is not the only Western European reporting location in the Current Weather Snapshot which has the wrong winds aloft.I'm assuming that you use the gridded output data from worldwide computer forecast models (such as the NCEP GFS) to derive the specific upper winds for any given lat/lon. Given that those models are updated at least twice daily, the predicted winds should be pretty close to real-world conditions for any given location. What I don't know (and I'm not asking you to reveal any proprietary secrets), is whether you (HiFi) process the model output data yourself, in house, or whether you have it done by a third party.But whatever the case, there is definitely something amiss with the upper winds data over Europe - certainly for the reporting point ETHT, and (I strongly suspect), other locations as well. For at least some LAT/LON coordinates, your server is maintaining old data, and not updating it - and it certainly bears looking into at the very earliest moment.Jim BarrettEDIT at 03:25Z, 21 MarchI just reloaded the data (which in this instance came from Server #2) and looked directly at the data contained in the Current_WX_Snapshot. As I suspected, the problem is not limited to ETHT. Among stations in Germany currently showing (incorrect) southerly winds aloft are: ETAS, ETBA, ETGW, ETBB, ETGI and ETGK. (there are many more). Based on the "stuck" data for ETHT, I'd wager that if I were to look back at an historical weather snapshot, I would see that the specific data for these other stations have also been "stuck" on the same values for quite some time.On the other hand, other nearby stations DO show the correct current northerly winds for 0300Z, 21 March, including: ETHL, ETIE, ETID and ETNJ.

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Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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I am tired of reporting, but the non-interpolated stations are always right.These are ETHL and ETNJ.ETIE and ETID (interpolated stations)are not so bad as ETHT, but not fully correct.ETID shows wind from SE and nearby EDDF from NE. And NE is according to NOAA data.I started to disable these station in the options. Seems the only way to get proper data.If you have FSBuild you can easily find stations with improper data:ESSA-EPWA@FL300 (winds north but never south today):

TRS 114.30 045 DCT 192 331 329 00/08 00/08 ESSA/ 0052/... 0212/... N5730.0/E1720.7 185 CLB 323076 ....ARMOD 086 M607 179 464 522 00/09 00/18 ESKN/ 0075/... 0189/... N5620.2/E1713.7 183 300 333070 ESMMTESPO 070 M607 179 469 530 00/07 00/26 ESSV/ 0088/... 0176/... N5538.3/E1709.6 182 300 341067 ESMMPENOR 042 M607 179 469 531 00/04 00/31 ESMQ/ 0097/... 0168/... N5512.5/E1730.3 150 300 341067 EPWWMOTAD 028 UN133 151 469 535 00/03 00/34 ESMQ/ 0102/... 0162/... N5458.4/E1741.1 155 300 230031 EPWWDOMAG 015 UN133 152 469 461 00/02 00/36 EPSK/ 0106/... 0159/... N5447.7/E1749.6 155 300 230031 EPWWVAPOS 012 UN133 151 469 461 00/01 00/38 EPSK/ 0108/... 0156/... N5417.9/E1812.4 155 300 230031 EPWWKRT 113.20 033 UN133 151 470 488 00/04 00/42 EPSK/ 0115/... 0149/... N5331.2/E1846.8 148 300 008053 EPWWGRU 114.60 051 UN133 152 469 514 00/05 00/48 EPGD/ 0125/... 0139/... N5257.5/E1929.5 132 DSC 017051 EPWWUNELO 042 UL621 138 391 420 00/06 00/54 EPBY/ 0133/... 0131/... N5241.7/E1949.2 133 DSC 023040 EPWWSORIX 020 UL621 138 360 379 00/03 00/57 EPBY/ 0135/... 0129/... N5209.9/E2058.0 117 DSC 014028 EPWWEPWA 053 DCT 122 285 295 00/10 01/08 EPWA/ 0155/... 0109/...
EPSK = wrong! And surprise it is an interpolated station.

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Hi,I have never seen any other software vendor ignoring consequently all the valuable input of paying customers to find fundamental errors in the software. We have now very detailled data about depicted data, which in no way can be correct, from users, who have a lot of experience in the weather area. The only message now must be, that this is an accepted bug and that there will be a fix available in near future. And it doesn't depend, if the bug is in the software or the data used.RgdsReinhard

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All,Until now the data has not been forthcoming and in the last few posts the data is now there. What I will commit to doing is forwarding this thread to the programming team for their input.

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Hi All,The programming team has taken a look at this issue and has identified a few problems both server side and interpolation side and has made some programming changes. We are asking that users who are experiencing these issues to please download and install this: http://dreamcatcher.hifisim.com/ASE-Update-B647.zipFeedback can be posted here, but if you find any problems, please report those to support(AT)hifisim.com. That way, the programming team will see your problem reports. Remember to include the fact that you are running B647 and supply the team with as many details as possible. Problem posts will not be troubleshot here, but I will remind users to report using e-mail.We are sorry for any inconveniences this has caused and we hope that this issue has been resolved.

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Excellent! Will try this on a flight tomorrow.Jim Barrett


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Can someone crosscheck EGVA?It is a non interpolated station but the NO winds looks not like real at 1011Z.

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Just an idea: Is it possible that military station like EGVA and EGDL have no wind updates at weekend?I will check that stations again on monday.

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Just an idea: Is it possible that military station like EGVA and EGDL have no wind updates at weekend?I will check that stations again on monday.
I just checked both EGVA and EGDL at 2300Z 26 March on the US aviation weather site. Both stations are reporting current METARS. Both have light winds at 5 to 6 knots from about 040 degrees.Jim Barrett

Jim Barrett

Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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Looks really good now. I updated the data stations and I don´t have KQOF or KQCY anymore. Maybe it helped.I had a very nice flight yesterday from EDDM to KCVG at Vatsim Cross the Pond. Winds were all realistic according to the charts.

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