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[Carenado]

On August 11, 2010 Carenado announced that the company will not release a FS2004 version of our F33A Bonanza and will stop developing FS2004 products.Tools and techniques we are currently using don’t allow making FS2004 versions of our products with a good quality and performance.It is sad news for all our FS2004 customers and we sympathize with all of them, but our commitment with high quality and use of new techniques don’t allow delivering consistent products.We currently have an ambitious product line for the next months. We are making five aircraft at the same time for FSX and we expect to deliver them in the next months beside new projects in the addon industry.RegardsCarenado

[scottb613]

Hi Carenado,    Thanks for responding - it really adds a great deal to a product when the developer takes the time to have some open communication with their customer base... Much appreciated - sir...      Keep up the good work...Regards,Scott

[Dillon]

Terrible news...   I greatly enjoyed your 185 and was looking forward to the updated F33A.  I kind of expected this as you knew so many were hoping for this above all other efforts (the Caravan being the exception).  We all had our fingers crossed for at least two more efforts before you closed up shop on us.  Guess I'll ride this one into the sunset (Pic below).  [attachment=20336:Bloom 2.jpg]

[Deltalpha]

Why not make the Caravan your last FS9 product since a large portion of the FS9 crowd was looking foward to it?

[treeman]

An end of a great line of products but hopefully with the growing number of people switching to FSX this will lead to some great new products! It's great that there was an open announcement about this and I can't wait for the next few products to come out!

[Dillon]

simmer9304, on 11 August 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

An end of a great line of products but hopefully with the growing number of people switching to FSX this will lead to some great new products! It's great that there was an open announcement about this and I can't wait for the next few products to come out!

I can't wait for beefier machines to come out...  

[scottb613]

dilloll0, on 11 August 2010 - 04:53 PM, said:

I can't wait for beefier machines to come out...  

Yeah me too... I can't get my machine to run FSX well either...In this economy funds for a new PC are a bit tight...---Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor---GIGABYTE GA-EX38-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard---EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB Video Card---GeIL EVO ONE 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) ---(2 x 500GB) Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s ---PC Power and Cooling S75QB 750W Power SupplyRegards,Scott

[jpmouse]

Carenado, on 11 August 2010 - 08:25 AM, said:

On August 11, 2010 Carenado announced that the company will not release a FS2004 version of our F33A Bonanza and will stop developing FS2004 products.Tools and techniques we are currently using don’t allow making FS2004 versions of our products with a good quality and performance.It is sad news for all our FS2004 customers and we sympathize with all of them, but our commitment with high quality and use of new techniques don’t allow delivering consistent products.We currently have an ambitious product line for the next months. We are making five aircraft at the same time for FSX and we expect to deliver them in the next months beside new projects in the addon industry.RegardsCarenado

Sad to hear.  I guess that ends my relationship with Carenado for a while as I have all of your FS9 Aircraft. If I ever switch to FSX I will return.  I wish you the best.  Your aircraft have provided me with countless hours of entertainment and will continue to delight for quite a while.Thanks again.JPMouse

[Toxin]

My last love is dead, bye Carenado.Maybe we meet us sometimes again...  

[Staffan]

Sad sad ....very sad news.

[scottb613]

Just another thread in support of the FS9 Carenado customer base...http://forum.avsim.net/topic/292793-carenado-has-left-the-building/Regards,Scott

[JPH1786]

Don't suppose you want to give us a heads up as to what's coming out in the next few months?

[kiwikat]

Great news! Maybe this means we can finally get some 3D gauges...

[gheeD]

Deltalpha, on 11 August 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

Why not make the Caravan your last FS9 product since a large portion of the FS9 crowd was looking foward to it?

I think it's not about the decision, its that the technology is too complex for fs9. Making caravan for fs9 would mean it would have to be done all again(or atleast major part of it) which would result in longer time for developing new aircraft, and would not (maybe, just guessing) be worth it.So, get better machines if thats what is holding you from flying fsx... I love my fsx, FTX PNW allmost all areas over 40 fps. (that excluding Seattle and Portland areas where is heavy autogen buildings.)

[RotorRx]

"So, get better machines if thats what is holding you from flying fsx"Easier said than done, care to donate to my new computer fund?Phil

[Dillon]

RotorRx, on 13 August 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

"So, get better machines if thats what is holding you from flying fsx"Easier said than done, care to donate to my new computer fund?Phil

Great point...

[Deltalpha]

Kim, There is more then one reason I'm not moving to FSX. I understand about the new tech they are using.

[Jigsaw]

RotorRx, on 13 August 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

"So, get better machines if thats what is holding you from flying fsx"Easier said than done, care to donate to my new computer fund?

Well... the money that you save because you don't have to buy the Caravan is already one third of a decent dual core CPU that can run FSX easily. And even better: no one forces you to move the detail sliders all the way to the right, which is the main reason for performance grief. On lower graphics settings FSX still looks better than FS9 and runs well on your old FS9 machine. ;)

[gheeD]

Good point jigsaw. "sparse" autogen setting for FSX is same as FS9 max. My old computer could even run that easily with 30 fps. (amd athlon 3000+, 7600GS, 1gig ram.) Then i bought the perfect machine for fsx... Now it runs all max 30-50 fps everywhere. (with AI 20-30 at most detailed airports)

[Toxin]

Jigsaw, on 15 August 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

... On lower graphics settings FSX still looks better than FS9 and runs well on your old FS9 machine. ;)

How did you get to that point? With GE Pro, HDE v2 or REX Pro, etc. FS9 can look pretty well.But anyway, I don't want to support any discussion about FS9 or FSX, everyone should decide himself and everyone should respect that.

[gheeD]

I don't want to continue arguing about it, but i must correct you. It's not about how many addons you have in your sim. FS9 can render exact amount of autogen and also mesh texture is smaller, and when FSX and FS9 is compared at same autogen density settings, they indeed look pretty identical with all cloud addons they both have, but FPS is really close to FS9. Problem is that everybody wants to run fsx like they did fs9, all sliders max, even tho sliders might be max, settings are way higher than FS9... That is the problem. Another thing i can understand is if you've bought many FS9 addons and don't want to buy them again / u can't upgrade them to fsx for free or there is NONE for fsx in that area or airport. But yes, FSX will run allmost as well as FS9 on same density values, and look better (FSX higher quality HD clouds, HD water textures, better shaders for water...). It's just users don't use the sim right.

[Jigsaw]

Toxin, on 16 August 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

How did you get to that point? With GE Pro, HDE v2 or REX Pro, etc. FS9 can look pretty well.

Either compare Default FS9 to Default FSX or compare FS9 with add ons to FSX with add ons. Anything else is apples and oranges. ;)Anyway, my point wasn't that FS9 may be worse than FSX. My point was that there is no real reason to miss out on great new add ons and that one can't expect add on companies to support the more or less obsolete version forever.You can get FSX Deluxe for the price of a single add on aircraft and you don't even need a new machine for that. That's all I'm saying.

[Toxin]

My last comment on this point, please don't get me wrong now:If I decide to stay at FS9 I do it how long I want to do that and then I miss nothing, because it's my decision. The only one, who will miss something, is the developer who won't get my money.Ok, anyway, all my respect to Carenado's decision, they are the developers. I respect the decision too, if someone wants to fly in FSX, or in FS9, everyone should do, as he want to do.Ok, that's it for me, there are tons of IVAO/Vatsim- and FS9/FSX-fights in the forums arround the world. Don't forget, we are a community, we all have the same goal, to fly virtual and having fun and that's possible with all four combinations and don't forget, about 7 years before, FS9 was the best for all of you.That's it. Three greens to all    

[gheeD]

I feel it is inpolite to ignore other peoples posts directed to you, And you are starting to sound contradictory. You are saying, you wont miss anything (except that you are missing the plane... obviously?) and developers only are, and i bet no big developer cares about FS9 anymore, Carenado stopped supporting it, Aerosoft did, PMDG did.. And we, community, made that happen. Then after insulting developers you say you respect them...?And don't forget, 4 years ago FSX was and continues to be the best for EVERYONE. But IMO, no need to stay in the past, if we would, we can still continue flying FS5.1... Technology goes on, and i will move on with it and follow the best there is. This is my hobby, and i want to enjoy it to the fullest, with best graphics and framerates. I find it silly to stay in past just becouse computer "can't" run FSX... Becouse it can... its just user error. But i respect everybody's decision if they don't want to throw away their payware addons.

[J van E]

The main reason people stay with FS9 is all the addons they have for it. There really can't be another reason. Saying that FSX performs worse just isn't true. As others already said: if you setup FSX in such a way that it mimics the FS9 graphics (you can even let FSX use the low res FS9 5m/pixels if you want to), you will see it will run just as fine as FS9 (if not better) and then you will also be able to run every new FSX-only plane! No problems at all. As gheeD said, just a lower autogen setting might already help to get FSX perform similar to FS9: default trees per tile for FSX is 4500 while it was 600 for FS9 and default houses per tile for FSX is 3000 while for FS9 it is 300. The LOWEST FSX setting for autogen (sparse) gives you a maximum of 900 trees and 260 buildings. So even the lowest autogen tree setting is 50% MORE than the max of FS9... so in order to get FS9-like graphics (and performance) you would even have to use tweaks to lower the autogen even more... I guarantee you that if you lower everything to FS9 standards, FSX (with SP1 and SP2) will perform GREAT. It's a very logical step for Carenado to stop producing FS9 planes: you cannot keep on making products for an old platform without getting into problems. ('Old' not meaning bad, btw: heck, even FSX is already old in computerland...!)