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[Joel]

RonHamilton1954, on 29 September 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

Glad you're not looking forward to it, that being said, I'm sure because you're not looking forward to it, WE will not have to read any of your awaful posts, anymore.There is  a company named Ariane....they have terrible customers service, awful over-priced products and they never preview future products, I think you'd sit well with them. If you dont like how our Capitalist friends at PMDG are previewing there product (however they want too) then why are here? Why are you sick of s talking about it if your don't care...hmmmmm?Ron Hamilton

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Tom_Knudsen]

RonHamilton1954, on 29 September 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

Glad you're not looking forward to it, that being said, I'm sure because you're not looking forward to it, WE will not have to read any of your awaful posts, anymore.There is  a company named Ariane....they have terrible customers service, awful over-priced products and they never preview future products, I think you'd sit well with them. If you dont like how our Capitalist friends at PMDG are previewing there product (however they want too) then why are here? Why are you sick of s talking about it if your don't care...hmmmmm?Ron Hamilton

Have been a PMDG fan since the beginning, that said it must be allowed to express an democratic opinion, call it a feeling if you must about the long awaiting of this product. I can bet every cent i ever spent on PMDG products that you all can relate to the feeling of waiting for this product to show its lovely face in the store right? Because you all want it right?Me included!All I am saying right about now is that I am sick to my stomach of all this waiting, in my mind we would with exceptions of some be better of waiting in the dark until the final stages of the development. That means we will not be talking about this product day after day like chewing on a really bad stake. Now iFly will make there product into FSX and it is a real contender to PMDG, not saying it is a better choice (knock on wood) but a contender both in aesthetics and in system simulation, bet you even in performance as well.So, before you all kill me, understand that I am nothing more than an frustrated fan that sadly lost the joy of waiting due to an endless discussion and preview period.

[Joel]

Tom_Knudsen, on 29 September 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

Have been a PMDG fan since the beginning, that said it must be allowed to express an democratic opinion, call it a feeling if you must about the long awaiting of this product. I can bet every cent i ever spent on PMDG products that you all can relate to the feeling of waiting for this product to show its lovely face in the store right? Because you all want it right?Me included!All I am saying right about now is that I am sick to my stomach of all this waiting, in my mind we would with exceptions of some be better of waiting in the dark until the final stages of the development. That means we will not be talking about this product day after day like chewing on a really bad stake. Now iFly will make there product into FSX and it is a real contender to PMDG, not saying it is a better choice (knock on wood) but a contender both in aesthetics and in system simulation, bet you even in performance as well.So, before you all kill me, understand that I am nothing more than an frustrated fan that sadly lost the joy of waiting due to an endless discussion and preview period.

Quick question. If you want to be "left in the dark", why do you keep returning to the forums?

[MorsAbAlto]

Joel and others,calm down. Tom has made a good point. There are many people that are tired of waiting. His first post was a bit emotional, that's all.

[Tom_Knudsen]

Thanks for understandingQuick answer: just followed a link on an local forum. Gave up my day to day visit a long time ago

[2dogtripper]

Wow, I guess I'll be flying nothing but WestJet for a long time!

Vee1, on 29 September 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Wow, that shot is amazing... I took some seconds to see the FSX one! I just hope the exterior model is better than the last rendition... If I like what I see, I will polish my VISA and buy it. Didn't buy the competition knowing that PMDG will make er' much better...!Happy flyingAndreu Escuain

Exterior NOT required.....let's have a sim based on flying!!

[2dogtripper]

[quote name='Tom_Knudsen' timestamp='1285801156' post='1838939']Now iFly will make there product into FSX and it is a real contender to PMDG, not saying it is a better choice (knock on wood) but a contender both in aesthetics and in system simulation, bet you even in performance as well./quote]You are joking I am sure?!?!??

[ahsmatt7]

2dogtripper, on 29 September 2010 - 08:11 PM, said:

Wow, I guess I'll be flying nothing but WestJet for a long time!Exterior NOT required.....let's have a sim based on flying!!

Now why would you bring that up? This has been discussed ad nauseam. Don't come on these forums and start trying to stir things up.

[767fan]

Thanks for the update PMDG staff!    I admit I am anxious for the release, but I'd rather know about what progress is made (even if there are delays) than be kept in the dark (i.e. LevelD 757) I don't believe hat Robert taking the time to inform us of their project contributes in any way to delays or lost production time, it's nice to know they can work hard and also share details with us.   I am grateful for their approach vs. other highly regarded payware vendors.   I would like to know if there will be a preorder system, where such orders are delivered before the general public, say a day or two before public release?  I can only imagine the stress the PMDG servers/AVSIM forums will be under when the reckoning day finally comes I have never been disappointed in a PMDG product, and I dare say the release of this plane is almost the equivalent of Microsoft releasing FS11 (if they hadn't fired the ACES Team)!   I can't wait to see the fruits of the MD11 and JS4100 development "testbed" technologies applied to a very popular current airframe.  Sadly, as much as I love those two products and the satisfaction I get from having learned their complex systems, one is hard pressed to find them in use in real life passenger revenue service today.   However,  I'm getting a big kick out of flying the MD11 on KLM routes still be served today (EHAM to KSFO, CYYZ, going to do EHAM-CYVR  and UPS or Fedex short/long hauls in the near future)All the best!

[PUP4ORD]

Thanks Bob, Keep those updates rolling along.

[hmslion]

Wow - and I thought the turobo prop and MD11 were pretty much flawless.  I really can't wait for this bird.

[Tabs]

Tom, next time you want to accuse us of not knowing how to market, you might want to take a look at the top 5 most viewed threads on Avsim -  three of them are about this aircraft, one with over 500,000 views.  Show me a marketing person anywhere in the world that wouldn't kill for 500,000 hits on anything.We can't win - we're going to get people like you complaining regardless of what we do, so I think we'll take the option that makes the most people possible aware of what we're doing.  The aircraft will speak for itself against any competition you may think it has.

[Jack_C]

None of you complainers get it. Once upon a time developers said when  the approximate release date was. When they didn't deliver you came down their throats and forced them into never saying anything about release dates. Now the next thing you do is complain about waiting. My forecast? Developers will not even tell you they are developing a product UNTIL the day of release. Honestly, it sounds like you sit there my your computer clicking "refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh,refresh".Geez, go out and enjoy the things in life. Sitting by a computer and complaining 24/7 makes you look like you have no life whatsoever. PMDG wants to get this thing out as quickly as soon as they can to you BUT not at the expense of bugs (which will create a whole new set of complaints). I respect what they do and how they do it. If you can do better by all means try. There is more to life than "refresh". I took up drumming, paintballing, play hockey in the winter, etc. I have so many things I try and do that before I know it the 737 will be released. I suggest you try it too. I try to make this post in respect to all. I too am waiting for this release and know where you are coming from. But after spending over 3-4000 bucks on addons I know by now that when it DOES come out you will look back and all your frustrations of waiting will be forgotten. You know its true and so do I. Jack C

[767fan]

I respect PMDG saying that they could have released this a while back, albeit with compromise and less features of course.  I'd much rather have them work thoroughly and at their own comfortable pace making sure all bugs are squashed and the leading edge new features are added than to have a crippled product rushed to market.    Airsimmer made this mistake with their A320, and I was deeply disappointed.

[rsrandazzo]

elprim, on 29 September 2010 - 02:42 AM, said:

Mathematical model for heat retention? I am afraid it will take an expert RW pilot to notice (and appreciate) some of the details and features? Going so deep... I wonder if you developers/programmers ever think something like “Oh, I’ve invested so much time and effort in this detail, and it will be appreciated by just few, most won’t even notice it... (Sigh)”

Daniel-Wow did you hit that nail squarely on the head.  Dr. Vaos and I have a long standing joke that "on the next project, we'll just keep it simple because 75% of what we do goes unnoticed by 99% of our customers."We then reassure one another that "at least WE know it is working correctly.We have programmed into the airplane some "transient quirks" that are part of the airplane's personality- and are generally well known or frequently experienced by NG crews.  We have a running wager that most customers will not pick on on them in the documentation- and will come running here to report them as "bugs."   <sound of me banging my head on the desk>I'm glad to know that someone else can appreciate this experience!

[Chapstick]

Besides wanting more frequent updates with more screenshots (Who doesn't want that?), I've been very pleased with PMDG's approach to this release. I can't wait to get my hands on this thing, I know it'll be the best add-on for MSFS ever made.

[FACA]

Tom_Knudsen, on 29 September 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

Why not paying attention to getting it done rather than discuss it and share tiny pictures of bits and pieces.

These are usually called teasers. Go to Game Trailers and you´ll see that a whole industry behave like that. For people who think NGX is taking too much time, try waiting for Duke Nukem Forever, or Gran Turismo 5!

[Byrna]

Tom_Knudsen, on 29 September 2010 - 05:18 PM, said:

If you think this is marketing, I would strongly recommend a great book by Phillip Kotler called Marketing management

Hey, I used that book in my marketing class! Nice book... but that was many years ago.  Marketing it is though, you're right Tom.But still, it is quite fascinating what PMDG is trying to do.  Though it looks like you read many more of these "updates" than I have since I think to just avoid these endless postings until we see the final product.  So lessee... where iz it?   John

[FACA]

And just to suggest a different approach (HA!), the developers could post photos of them working on the project. I´m imagining some semi-dead developers with lot´s of coffee around the office and tons of post-it on the monitors.EDIT: Maybe not...

[Roadburner426]

That is interesting about the transient quirks being modeled. Sounds like it is going to be fun kind of like another developer that models quirks and such in their birds. You learn to watch that certain engine, or that certain system that you know tends to give you trouble from time to time. Guess this means we will need to comb the documentation with more care than normal to see what we can find. I do not think it is a lack of picking it up from the documentation though Robert.. I think it is a lack of reading the documentation altogether. That is just my opinion though.

[msalo]

FACA, on 29 September 2010 - 11:00 PM, said:

These are usually called teasers. Go to Game Trailers and you´ll see that a whole industry behave like that. For people who think NGX is taking too much time, try waiting for Duke Nukem Forever, or Gran Turismo 5!

Isn't Duke Nukem Forever coming out right after the NGX??   I've had my credit card ready to buy that thing......well......Forever!!Hmmm... I guess I'll just have to use my credit card for the NGX instead!-m@

[767fan]

I am all for having these "quirks" modeled in the aircraft, isn't that what simulation is all about?   I learned so much about the intricacies of operating a high performance prop with the JS4100, with it's tendency to overheat if the RPM is not attended to appropriately, and the complex stop lock procedures.  Such details keep you on your toes like in RL, and one can't help but respect the discipline and knowledge that is required to operate jets and props.I would love to see such realistic procedures covered in the NGX, but to also allow the user to choose such features that make them comfortable.   A good example is the LevelD 767, with realism options that enable the user to have the aircraft not automatically tune the ILS, to make sure all autopilots are enabled for autoland,  IRS drift etc.   I do not doubt that PMDG will have these in the NGX, but perhaps they can surprise us and add more options that die hard fanatics would appreciate in an effort to make things more challenging. Perhaps an option to have the engine startup fail if the fuel levers are not enabled at the correct time, or tire bursts on very hard landings.

[Tabs]

msalo, on 29 September 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

Isn't Duke Nukem Forever coming out right after the NGX??   I've had my credit card ready to buy that thing......well......Forever!!

I am 100% sure we will release LONG before Duke Nukem Forever lol...  Even with Gearbox taking that over, it's still gonna be end of 2011 probably.

[rsrandazzo]

Captains-Since we've been having a conversation about "diving deep into the details" I thought it might be rewarding for those of you who "dive deep into the threads" if we tossed a few full cockpit images down here...We have a full Virtual Cockpit preview thread in the works- but here is just a sample of what you'll be getting in the NGX.[attachment=22202:Full_VC_Preview.jpg]Notice the depth of color and texture detail in this VC.  With the resources we have throughout the industry- we've been able to gain an unprecedented level of support to help make this simulation as visually appealing as it is deep.Some of my favorite details- (things that make this "feel" like an airplane) are the fingertip oil and surface wearing that is visible on the "six pack" annunciators next to the Caution/Fire lights.  You can tell that other crews have been flying and working this cockpit, because traces of the use and wear are evident all over the flight deck....Here is a close-up view of the control stand.  Almost looks like you can reach in an touch those levers, doesn't it?  Looks at the edges of the seat cushions... the corners of the displays, the FMS keypads...  We are pretty happy with the level of detail you are getting-  and we haven't put nearly the dent in FPS performance that we had feared.  It is still running significantly better than the MD-11...[attachment=22203:Control_Stand_Preview.jpg]DISCLAIMER:  These images are taken from an in-development product.  Some things displayed on the screen are incorrect because they aren't complete, or because we have things turned on for trouble-shooting and completion...   (Okay- that makes 3 updates in 6 weeks... so I'm averaging once every other week...   )