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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:55 PM
Ron, I did change three panel.cfg files - the two in the 'VC' panel folder (which all my PMDG 737s use), that is to say Panel-PMDG.Cfg and Panel.Cfg, plus the Panel.Cfg in the folder just called 'panel'. It's not a monitor problem though - if I change the RGB values for night in all 3 panel.cfg files (same changes of course) and start FS - the changes are clear so long as I don't unpause the programme. The background is lighter - just as I want it. But as soon as I unpause FS the background goes back to the default black. Odd.. I have a demo version of FS Panel studio... so I gave it a try. It seems to me that for the lighting effects, the programme is just making the same changes as I make manually to the panel.cfg files - changing the colour values. The programme probably would be useful and I may get the full version, but first I need to see why my changes to the values aren't 'holding' when I unpause FS. The new RGB values I entered into the cfg files aren't changed of course, so why does the night background go back to black the second I unpause the sim? M
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 09:54 PM
The FS9 SDK on panels is very confusing in regards to illumination. I can't paste in the information due to copyright issues but here is a link to download it: Panels and Gauges: http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/2/6/a263954a-3649-4654-ab1b-0ee4e30d7261/panels_sdk_setup.exe In the word doc search out illumination and look at the panel/instrument samples in daylight, nighttime, and cabin light scenarios. BTW, on the ms download site Bing will not return anything useful on searching FS9 SDK. I found it by using Yahoo. It seems at least the site version is very selective on what results can be shown perhaps as to active products.
Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:14 PM
Searching for the word 'illumination' in the panels SDK.doc brings up zero results; same for 'nighttime'. Searching for 'lighting' or 'RGB' doesn't seem to come up with anything useful for this purpose, so I don't know what to do now. As I say though, changing the RGB values for the night illumination in the panel.cfg file works, but something switches the panel background back to black as soon as I unpause the sim. If I could find out why, I might get somewhere. It is something within PMDG (so I think I should be looking for an answer there rather in the SDK document), because if I try the same experiment with a FS9 Cessna, the night lighting RGB changes work just fine, it doesn't switch back when I unpause FS.. What PMDG file(s) could be overriding the RGB settings in the panel.cfg? Martin
Posted 26 September 2011 - 03:59 PM
Sorry about the search keys. Start at page 104 section 3 in Appendix B. Then read through a few pages as it comes up in a not contiguous fashion. The search keys are day, night, and luminosity in this document. note there is a table of contents with links in the separate word left hand pane. Note the illustrated examples on page. On that page are to me two opposing declarations: 1. "Day and Night effectively determine the maximum and minimum brightness of the panel."2. "When lights are off, no .cfg-specified color is applied to the panel and its gauges – the brightness of the images are affected, however, by the environmental lighting (such as the height of the sun in the sky, moonlight, etc.). Maybe it refers to being turned on by cabin illumination lights and which point the night parameter comes into play.
Posted 26 September 2011 - 09:40 PM
Thanks a lot for clarifying that. As I say though, I don't think the issue is there - with engines running and with the panel lights on at night time I can change the background illumination of other a/c, such as the default Cessna, at will. With the PMDG 737NG the change in illumination only lasts as I keep the sim paused. From then on the programme seems to remember this and the background changes from my lighter version to the PMDG black version within half a second of the a/c loading. I can try with a few other a/c to see if it is just PMDG a/c that 'suffer' from this, but I seem to need to find some file that is over-riding the panel.cfg file - maybe there is something 'hard-wired' into the gauge files?? M
Posted 24 October 2011 - 05:08 AM
Yes, this works with all other a/c I have tried (changing the values of RGB in [Color]). But the PMDG 737 goes back to black immediately I unpause the sim. This is a real pain - why did PMDG make this otherwise very nice a/c so that you can't see any of the non-lit instruments at night (gear lever etc.)? I just have to make sure I fly it only during the day, but I'd still like to find a solution. Anyone at PMDG?Martin
Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:12 AM
Still no joy here! PMDG didn't answer my ticket. Anyone else got any ideas. I'd like the night panel lighting to stay so that I can still see the levers and switches. not totally blacked out - see screenshots.Thanks!Martin[attachment=37992:Lights N.jpg][attachment=37993:Lights Y.jpg]
Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:49 PM
The background in the first screenshot is totally blacked out - you say you can see the switches that show up fine in the 2nd. pic? You must eat an awful lot of carrots, 'cos I can't. Ther cockpit is even worse --c an't see the gear lever at all for instance. Totally unrealistic. I want to set things so that the night panel is in no.2, but it won't 'stick'..M.
Edited by martinlest2, 09 February 2012 - 12:51 PM.
Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:09 PM
My screen is only set to 42% brightness and i can still see everything! You must remember that at night one's eyes adjust to low levels of light notwithstanding that the location of switches is habitually known by the pilots. It is impossible to match exactly various brightness levels in the sim. The only way you can adjust them to you liking is to change the values in the cfg file.I created a night panel for the VC10 and it took ages to get to a compromise that gave the feeling of reality.vololiberista
Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:46 AM
I don't get it, but no matter :-) If I posted a screenshot of the cockpit, I don't see how you could see (so to speak) the levers - they are not illuminated at all, and in general I have good night vision.Well, whatever, as I said before, setting the RGB values in the cfg file doesn't work with this a/c - when I have the cockpit view and FS9 is paused, it's fine, but as soon as I unpause the sim, the backrounds go black again, no matter what I do in the cfg file. Works with other a/c, but not this one. Very odd. What can be restting the panel lighting to default in that way??Martin
Edited by martinlest2, 10 February 2012 - 12:46 AM.
Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:38 AM
Maybe they have found a way to prohibit changes to cfg. You will never get a satisfactory result re night lighting. Because it doesn't actually exist from the cockpit point of view. It is usually as in the night panel I designed an overlay bmp which makes it look as if there is night lighting.vololiberista[attachment=38065:nitpn.jpg]
Posted 10 February 2012 - 05:46 AM
"You will never get a satisfactory result re night lighting" ... You mean in the PMDG 737? Most of my a/c have fine night lighting - including the PMDG 747. In the end, I just avoid flying the 737NGs at night, or I struggle with the normal panel lighting. Not the end of the world, but a little annoying that it can't be adjusted..M.
Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:06 AM
What happens (I now see) is that I can get the night lighting as in the 2nd. screenshot when I first switch it on when dusk starts to fall, but at a certain point the sim switches to the first screenshot (with no input from me), presumably at a certain point as it continues to get darker. There must be something in the PMDG setup which triggers this - as I say, I don't get it with any other a/c..Any further ideas? Thanks....M.
Edited by martinlest2, 13 February 2012 - 01:06 AM.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:30 PM
I wonder if someone could test something for me. I had an email from PMDG saying that there is nothing in the 737NG setup that causes the panel lighting to switch on automatically as it grows dark. All my 737s do, even when I have no other addons loaded into FS9. Could somebody please test this on their FS9 setup: if you are flying in dusk through to night, does the panel lighting switch on by itself? And if so, is the panel itself almost invisible (too dark - though all the instruments light up; it's just the panel bitmap which is black, so I can't see gear levers etc.).
Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:04 PM
the panel itself almost invisible (too dark - though all the instruments light up; it's just the panel bitmap which is black, so I can't see gear levers etc.).
Sorry to bump an old thread but I was searching for the same answer and want to share what I've found.
Open the PMDG 737NG panel.cfg and scroll down to this:
[Window01] // PMDG_MAIN_PANEL
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000
gauge02=PMDG_737NG_Main!EFISDisplay, 50,670,250,250,PFD 1
gauge03=PMDG_737NG_Main!EFISDisplay, 388,670,250,250,ND 1
gauge04=PMDG_737NG_Main!EFISDisplay, 900,670,250,250,EICAS 1
Disable "gauge00=PMDG_737NG_Main!MainBackLight,0,0,1280,960,MAIN" by entering two forward slashes like this:
Do the same for VC panel .cfg as well. Here are my results.
Just trying to help...
Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:45 AM
I'd given up on this one! Now I see the entry in the panel.cfg file (never noticed it before) I feel a bit silly for not having tried out what you have done - the wording makes it a definite possibility. And yes, it works for me too.
There is also the same problem with the Overhead Panel and of course this can be dealt with in the same way by changing the line in the Overhead Panel section:
So very many thanks for posting this: I can now fly my 737s at night!