Another PMDG VHHX Question

[yos233 1]

I'd be happy to actually look at it and see what I can do. What VHHX scenery are you using?

[Dougal 165]

Wow - Thank you!I'm using Fly Tampa Kai Tak. Do you have it? (If not, you should - it.s VERY good :( )

[JC75 22]

OkNot sure then if this is a specific thing to the 747 then, as using the Level D 767 I have an extended centerline coming out from the runway 136 not the ils course 0f 088, so when doing the approach i on the 088 course the runway and centerline marking is crossing my track and is what I turn onto at the checkerboard. I dont have what you have in your picture a runway that is technically on the checkerboard - it maybe is unique to how the 747 navadata is, I do have the 747 so I will try and dig it out and try on my system, I dont really it much due to it being a bit old and naff now having to use the mouse for clicking and stuff - i never touch my mouse once when flying the 767 as I use all my hardware to control it. But looking forward to the new 747 when it comes as i do like flying the 747 - once it brought up to date.Regards James

[yos233 1]

Wow - Thank you!I'm using Fly Tampa Kai Tak. Do you have it? (If not, you should - it.s VERY good :( )

I was hoping you'd say default ;) . I'll get on it anyway, the scenery is irrelevent now that I think on it. Anyone know the specifics of the checkerboard approach. Like slope grade, or frequency?

[yos233 1]

Well, It works. I created a new airport (VHXX) and made a runway built into the checkerboard hill. It has a 3 degree ILS (CKRBD) with 110.95 as the frequency. I have flown it properly and landed safely (on the taxiway ;) ). Just so everyone else knows, it also works on other aircraft that tune the ILS. Now I have to mess with the inner workings of the 747 to auto-set themselves to 110.95.One thing of note, because the ILS goes to a different runway than the landing, you will get a dissmissable message telling you so. Proving once again the realism PMDG has provided.

[yos233 1]

I finished. Organize the additions by latitude. AVSIM won't let me upload the BGL so after this I will be uploading to the library.Add this to the APT file:

HONG KONG KAI TAK VHHX31 10930316 22.305500 114.214500109.9531600015HONG KONG KAI TAK VHHX13 10930136 22.321667 114.196667110.9513600015

Add this to the AID file:

HONG KONG KAI TAK CKRBDILS 22.321667 114.196667110.95T

Add this to the Airports file:

VHHX 22.316959 114.202621

To save you the trouble of downloading all PlanePath, create/add to the VHHX file:

// VHHX - KAI TAK// Derived from NFD/NATS cycle 1011.// With Holds Version//// Copyright 40471 by Terry Yingling// http://PlanePath.com// These procedures must not be sold or included// with a product for sale unless authorized by// me in writing before the fact.//// Read the '_Read This First.txt' file for// copyright restrictions.FIXESFIX AKERO LATLON N 20 2.7 E 116 42.5FIX BEKOL LATLON N 22 32.6 E 114 8FIX CH LATLON N 22 13.177 E 114 1.787FIX DAGON LATLON N 19 5.3 E 111 51.9FIX DOVAR LATLON N 18 56 E 115 49.002FIX ELATO LATLON N 22 20 E 117 30FIX ENVAR LATLON N 21 59.5 E 117 30FIX IDOSI LATLON N 19 0 E 112 30FIX ISBAN LATLON N 19 0 E 114 23.298FIX JULET LATLON N 22 19.9 E 114 28.9FIX KILOG LATLON N 21 52.5 E 114 41.6FIX KL LATLON N 22 7.201 E 114 12.411FIX LIMA LATLON N 22 8.1 E 114 24.6FIX MM13 LATLON N 22 19.93 E 114 9.7FIX MM31 LATLON N 22 17.074 E 114 14.277FIX OM13 LATLON N 22 19.7 E 114 6.63FIX OSCAR LATLON N 21 51 E 114 14.4FIX OSKAR LATLON N 21 51 E 114 14.4FIX RW LATLON N 22 19.588 E 114 11.47FIX RW13 LATLON N 22 19.296 E 114 11.796FIX SC LATLON N 22 19.198 E 114 7.933FIX SIKOU LATLON N 20 50.6 E 111 30FIX TH LATLON N 22 14.337 E 114 17.325FIX TP LATLON N 22 14.3 E 114 17.3FIX WISKY LATLON N 22 2.4 E 114 30.6ENDFIXESRNWSRNW 31RNW 13ENDRNWSSIDSSID BEKOL1ARNW 31 RNW 13 FIX TP FIX LIMA AT OR BELOW 7000 FIX JULET 7000 FIX BEKOL 11800SID BEKOL2CRNW 31 RNW 13 FIX SC FIX CH TRK 154 UNTIL 9000 FIX TP 11000 FIX BEKOL 11800SID ENVAR1ARNW 31 RNW 13 FIX TP FIX WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 FIX KILOG AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ENVARSID ENVAR2CRNW 31 RNW 13 FIX SC FIX CH FIX OSKAR 9000 FIX KILOG TRK 89 UNTIL 50 FROM FIX CH FIX ENVARSID RWY13RNW 31 RNW 13 FIX TH FIX WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000TRANSITION AKE1A HDG 136 INTERCEPT RADIAL 117 FROM FIX CH TRK 117 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 117 VECTORSTRANSITION AKE1B HDG 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 132 FROM FIX CH TRK 132 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH FIX AKEROTRANSITION DAG1A HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 199 FROM FIX CH HDG 199 VECTORSTRANSITION DAG1B TRK 235 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 214 FROM FIX CH FIX DAGONTRANSITION DOT1A TRK 90 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 90 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX CH TRK 104 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH HDG 14 VECTORSTRANSITION DOV1A HDG 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 132 FROM FIX CH TRK 132 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH FIX AKEROTRANSITION DOV1B TRK 180 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 154 FROM FIX CH FIX DOVARTRANSITION ELA1A TRK 90 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 90 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX CH TRK 104 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX ELATOTRANSITION IDO1A HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 190 FROM FIX CH TRK 190 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 190 VECTORSTRANSITION IDO1B TRK 235 UNTIL 00 FROM FIX CH HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 205 FROM FIX CH FIX IDOSITRANSITION ISB1A HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 190 FROM FIX CH TRK 190 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH HDG 190 VECTORSTRANSITION ISB1B HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM FIX CH TRK 175 UNTIL 40 FROM FIX CH FIX ISBANTRANSITION SIKOU HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 190 FROM FIX CH TRK 190 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH HDG 280 VECTORSSID RWY31RNW 31 RNW 13 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 31 FROM FIX CH FIX CHTRANSITION AKE2C FIX OSCAR AT OR BELOW 9000 HDG 90 INTERCEPT RADIAL 117 FROM FIX CH HDG 117 VECTORSTRANSITION AKE2D FIX OSCAR AT OR BELOW 9000 HDG 90 INTERCEPT RADIAL 132 FROM FIX CH FIX AKEROTRANSITION DAG2C TRK 199 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 199 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH HDG 199 VECTORSTRANSITION DAG2D TRK 214 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 214 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX DAGONTRANSITION DOT2C FIX OSCAR AT OR BELOW 9000 HDG 90 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX CH TRK 104 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH HDG 14 VECTORSTRANSITION DOV2C TRK 175 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 175 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX ISBANTRANSITION DOV2D FIX OSCAR AT OR BELOW 9000 TRK 154 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX DOVARTRANSITION ELA2C FIX OSCAR AT OR BELOW 9000 TRK 90 UNTIL 50 FROM FIX CH HDG 90 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX CH TRK 104 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX ELATOTRANSITION IDO2C TRK 190 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 190 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH HDG 190 VECTORSTRANSITION IDO2D TRK 205 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 205 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX IDOSITRANSITION ISB2C TRK 190 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 190 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX ISBANTRANSITION ISB2D TRK 175 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 175 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH HDG 175 VECTORSTRANSITION SIK2C TRK 214 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 214 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX SIKOUTRANSITION SIK2E TRK 190 UNTIL 25 FROM FIX CH TRK 190 UNTIL 100 FROM FIX CH FIX SIKOUENDSIDSSTARSENDSTARSAPPROACHESAPPROACH ILS13 FIX CH 8000 TRK 270 UNTIL 07 FROM FIX CH HDG 45 INTERCEPT RADIAL 268 FROM FIX KL FIX OM13 1777 FIX MM13 RNW 13 FIX RW13 FIX TH 4500APPROACH ILS31 FIX TH 1864 FIX MM31 647 RNW 31 TRK 316 UNTIL 330 FIX SC HDG 255 INTERCEPT RADIAL 31 FROM FIX CH FIX CH 4500ENDAPPROACHES

[Dougal 165]

Oh great!Thank you indeed :( :( :( Can't test it just yet as I'm in the middle of a full system backup.Looking forward to it.....

[Dougal 165]

Hi EricVery close, but not quite there I'm affraid. As you can see from the pics, we now have no localizer or glideslope active.

Hi EricVery close, but not quite there I'm affraid. As you can see from the pics, we now have no localizer or glideslope active.

Oops! Forgot pics

[JC75 22]

I did a test in the 747 and can confirm you get a centre line out of the hill rather than the actual runway. Which isnt what you get in the 767 - that gives it just like you desire in that you have an ILS into the hill, but a centreline and runway orientated on the 136 runway.Based on that I use the tool i linked to for both of them it could be possibly be the way in whcih the PMDG data is coded it isnt possible to make it work like the Level D does.Wonder if this same issue will be in the 737 or if its data is going to be in a different format.

[Dougal 165]

With Kai Tak being SO popular with 'heavy' flyers, I'm quite surprised it's never been properly sorted.Maybe the majority of PMDG owners are more into CURRENT real world airports?It would be sooooo cool to have this corrected.

[wedgantilles 76]

With Kai Tak being SO popular with 'heavy' flyers, I'm quite surprised it's never been properly sorted.Maybe the majority of PMDG owners are more into CURRENT real world airports?It would be sooooo cool to have this corrected.

Well I like this approach but I'm affraid I can't share the file it came to me thorugh the AoA MD11 training, where you fly it manually from long before, so you got the procedure, but in the end it is not really used, except for the navaids, which are really crucial to this approach. My better take on it is here :

although it did play hard to be taken manually for both thrust and controls, with quite a cross wind on final (16 knots or so). But it's challenging and fun to try though it should be much easier if there were to be a copilot :(

[yos233 1]

Hi EricVery close, but not quite there I'm affraid. As you can see from the pics, we now have no localizer or glideslope active.Oops! Forgot pics

It hasn't uploaded to AVSIM yet. I'll post the name/link once I get my confirmation e-mail, then you will have to insert the ILS into FSX using my included instructions. This will work with any aircraft, PMDG, default, or other Payware. As long as you can tune the ILS with it, you can follow it. EDIT: One more thing, we have 1,000 views! Popular topic in my opinion. EDIT2: My email is messed up. I checked AVSIM, my file is there. No confirmation email though. Just search AVSIM for me. The file is called "VHHX Checkerboard Approach." Edited February 7, 2011 by yos233

[Dougal 165]

Well I like this approach but I'm affraid I can't share the file it came to me thorugh the AoA MD11 training, where you fly it manually from long before, so you got the procedure, but in the end it is not really used, except for the navaids, which are really crucial to this approach. My better take on it is here :

although it did play hard to be taken manually for both thrust and controls, with quite a cross wind on final (16 knots or so). But it's challenging and fun to try though it should be much easier if there were to be a copilot :(

I'd be very grateful to know exactly what is inclused with the AoA material that pertains to KAI TAK?I'd quite happily purchase the product if it contains an amount of Kai Tak training.Cheers

[Cirrus22 9]

Well I like this approach but I'm affraid I can't share the file it came to me thorugh the AoA MD11 training

Feel free to share the FMC data - we didn't make it, I found it online and the credits are in the .txt file!Great job on the Youtube video by the way!! It's so refreshing to see someone fly it raw data without techno music You've obviously picked up my raw data bug!

I'd be very grateful to know exactly what is inclused with the AoA material that pertains to KAI TAK?I'd quite happily purchase the product if it contains an amount of Kai Tak training.

The last thing I want to do is to exploit PMDG's forum to advertise, so I'll be brief, factual and not try to sway you either way:Included in the training is a 30 minute video on the Kai Tak approach - we fly a raw data (using the CH VOR, SL NDB then the IGS), hand flown, without autothrottle approach into Kai Tak with an 18 knot crosswind component.

[yos233 1]

Does AoA have their own VHHX approach? If so, what is the slope? I couldn't find that online.This is what mine looks like. you can see CKRBD in the approach name.My tragically boring default scenery. Any other flyers, watch out for the building right there above my tail. On my last approach I rolled right on to it. Made sure to avoid it this time.