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Ifly 737 NG FSX vs PMDG 737 NGX


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#1 Tatave

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 08:13 AM

Hello,I am looking for a very high quality 737 NG simulation for FSX. I have been waiting for the PMDG 737NGX for quite a while, but now I am considering the cheaper Ifly 737NG for FSX. I would like to know anyone's opinion on the Ifly model. I would also like to know what anyone thinks of the Virtavia C-17. It looks very nice, and I am quite interested in the C-17. Any opinion on the quality of these aircraft would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 08:38 AM

Thumbs up on the thread title. :( (no offence intended, Kevin)

I would like to know anyone's opinion on the Ifly model.

Got some links for ya. http://forum.avsim.n.../page__hl__iflyhttp://forum.avsim.n.../page__hl__iflyhttp://forum.avsim.n.../page__hl__iflyhttp://forum.avsim.n.../page__hl__iflyhttp://forum.avsim.n.../page__hl__ifly

I would also like to know what anyone thinks of the Virtavia C-17

http://forum.avsim.n...e__hl__virtaviahttp://forum.avsim.n...5__hl__virtaviaAs you see, the questions may already have come up here and there, but never too far away. :smile:Tons of different and current opinions available so far. It's up to the reader to decide since it's hard to summarize.And regarding the PMDG NGX question, I assume that it will trigger .. well, you may see (especially in conjunction with the thread title).Only fact so far. It isn't there yet.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 09:19 AM

First up, we don't actually know that the iFly one will turn out to be cheaper than the PMDG, since PMDG haven't published their pricing yet, however, it probably is safe to assume that. What we do know, is that we only know half the story because of only one being available for sale at the moment, so a lot of replies you get are going to be somewhat speculative, including this one. With that caveat out of the way, here goes...The iFly 737 NG is very good, it represents excellent value for money in offering almost the entire range of 737 NG passenger and BBJ variants, and their differences in avionics fits and performance are well simulated, with only the Rockwell HGS being depicted as non-collimated, but the level of systems simulation is high and very detailed, certainly high enough to please any flight simmer into hard core realism. Performance in terms of stability and FPS on a reasonably good PC is good. In short, you are unlikely to be disappointed with it.The PMDG 737 NG, like most PMDG products, is set to push the boundaries of what we can expect in regards to simulation, with all that the iFly offers in terms of realism, plus a lot more too when it comes to extreme realism and attention to detail, perhaps best summed up in the fact that its HGS will be collimated. It is looking likely that you won't get all the NGs and BBJs in one PMDG package though, with the split in regard to models possibly being similar in fashion to PMDG's FS9 NG, but given that more detail is on offer, this would be understandable should it turn out to be the case.So the difference in the two could probably be summed up by saying that if you are the kind of flight simmer who has all the books and manuals you can get your hands on for a real 737 NG, you would probably find that the PMDG would be more faithful to the real deal when it comes to the minutia of detail, whereas you would find the iFly one would be good enough in most respects. If that kind of difference bothers you, then awaiting the PMDG version would be the way to go, whereas if you are itching to throw an NG around the sky today, the iFly awaits and offers both fun and realism.Anything anyone says beyond this will be into the realm of wild speculation until we can actually get our hands on the PMDG NG, and even some of the above is pure speculation.Al

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 09:29 AM

Thank-you for your replies.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:03 AM

One thing to add about the iFly 737. It's offered by Flight 1, and has a 30 day money back guarantee. If it's not what you're looking for, you can get a refund. Nothing to lose really.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:05 AM

Al makes very good points on both sides, but I think failed to make one important point (no offense Al). Because the iFly is sold by Flight1, you are entitled to a 30 day no questions asked refund. So, if you find that the iFly NG isn't what you're looking for or the performance on your system isn't up to your standards, you can always return it forthe full purchase price. PMDG, and like Al, only using speculation here, will most likely not provide a refund option when the NGX is released. This however isn't really a bad thing considering there is not one PMDG product that I have purchased that I've wanted to return.With the refund policy of Flight1, you really have nothing to lose when it comes to trying out the iFly.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:12 AM

That is true, you can get a refund on the iFly, but I think most people know that, in any case, for 50-ish bucks, anyone who wants a refund on an entire range of airliners and private jets simulated to that level needs to put the crack pipe down :( Al

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:12 AM

That is true, you can get a refund on the iFly, but I think most people know that, in any case, for 50-ish bucks, anyone who wants a refund on an entire range of airliners and private jets simulated to that level needs to put the crack pipe down http://forum.avsim.net/public/style_emot...

Depends on your point of view, if you are not going to fly it then going for the refund is a no brainer. Fantastic that you get the opportunity to do that though, hope that PMDG do it (although I very much doubt they will....G

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 05:38 AM

Now, i'm thinking that I'll wait for the PMDG 737NGX, but I'm currently thinking of one thing- less visual detail (Ifly) for presumably around 30-40 dollars less, or more detail at a higher price? Anyway, thank-you all for your replies.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 05:42 AM

PMDG have said their pricing will be competitve, so that sounds around $50. As Al said, all speculation!

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 06:51 AM

PMDG have said their pricing will be competitve, so that sounds around $50. As Al said, all speculation!

I would be shocked if the price came in around $50. This aircraft has been in development for four years. My guess is, it will be less than $100.00 but significantly more than $50. Most likely in the area of the MD-11.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 08:06 AM

I would be shocked if the price came in around $50. This aircraft has been in development for four years. My guess is, it will be less than $100.00 but significantly more than $50. Most likely in the area of the MD-11.

That's my guess as well. Take a look at the MD-11 and I think you'll see a pretty close price point.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 05:52 AM

I can tell you this much, I just purchased the I fly 737 NG for FSX, and it is the only thing I have flown in a week. I love it. I dont mind the fact that PMDG is releasing one, I might get it too!! It is a great package.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 05:54 AM

I have heard great things about the IFLY one, especially what you get for the price. Anyway, the PMDG one is just taking a while, so most likely wont be out till the end of the year..Not to worry :-)

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 08:59 AM

First - There is no PMDG 737 at this time so any comparison with a non-existent product would be moot.I own the iFLY 737 consider myself a hard-core simmer. I can tell you that it is on par with the LDS 757 or PMDG 747 (both of which I also own). It is a superb aircraft and has become my favorite. iFLY has also set the bar for what should be expected for a certain price. They offer an veru accurate cockpit ith 90+% of the systems functional. Included in that is every variant + VERY accurate soundsets (probably the best 737NG sound I've heard to date.) It's simply a must have aircraft.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 09:24 AM

First - There is no PMDG 737 at this time so any comparison with a non-existent product would be moot.I own the iFLY 737 consider myself a hard-core simmer. I can tell you that it is on par with the LDS 757 or PMDG 747 (both of which I also own). It is a superb aircraft and has become my favorite. iFLY has also set the bar for what should be expected for a certain price. They offer an veru accurate cockpit ith 90+% of the systems functional. Included in that is every variant + VERY accurate soundsets (probably the best 737NG sound I've heard to date.) It's simply a must have aircraft.

How did you get your hands on the LDS 757, do you belong to some sort of inside sales clubPosted Image

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 09:47 AM

First - There is no PMDG 737 at this time so any comparison with a non-existent product would be moot.I own the iFLY 737 consider myself a hard-core simmer. I can tell you that it is on par with the LDS 757 or PMDG 747 (both of which I also own). It is a superb aircraft and has become my favorite. iFLY has also set the bar for what should be expected for a certain price. They offer an veru accurate cockpit ith 90+% of the systems functional. Included in that is every variant + VERY accurate soundsets (probably the best 737NG sound I've heard to date.) It's simply a must have aircraft.

Interesting thread. I have the i-Fly version of the NG, and love it. I don’t get much time for flying on FSX at home (I do so almost every night, but about an hour is all I can usually spare, especially at this time of year with so much to do outside). Hence, I tend to like aircraft such as the Level D B763 and the B744 and MD11 from PMDG that I can save and later resume flights. I just tried this last night as a test with the i-Fly NG, using a take-off from my home Denver airport with a flight-plan to KPDX, using the Bonvl Six arrival (awesome flyby of Mount Hood), and the ILS 28R (emulating a real world flight I was on recently). Climbed to altitude out of KDEN. Noted on the PROG page where the TOD was, used the FSX flight planner so that I could use the FSX map facility and move the aircraft to somewhere prior to the TOD, saved the panel state and the flight plan, and the flight in FSX. Then shut down and re-started the PC, retrieved the flight (after loading FSX, bringing up the default C172 to set up FSX correctly). Loaded the panel state, the only thing I noticed that didn’t save was the ALT setting (it defaulted back to 10,000’). I did have to manually start the engines (while in Pause mode), but once I got set up and un-paused the flight it resumed perfectly- all the altitude and speed constraints were saved and were honored on the descent into KPDX, perfectly. The aircraft landing on 28R on schedule, rolled out perfectly.Now, this doesn’t address the technical details that those such as Al have touched upon, but there are not many aircraft in FSX (other than this and the other few listed above) that will do what I documented above. I have seen on the PMDG forum that the team is spending a lot of time on L-NAV and V-NAV to make sure that these work in complex DP/STAR procedures. While the STAR above is rather simple, I did try the LOOP Six out of KLAX, and like most aircraft it took the lesser heading difference to the next waypoint and turned right rather the left (the correct turn is in excess of 180 degrees), which may be some FSX limitation, and which may be resolved in the PMDG bird.Yes, I will certainly pick up the PMDG NG when it’s released, but I really like the i-Fly version. Thanks, Bruce.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 12:22 PM

I think you will see the IFly heads up collimated in an up coming release where this great add-on will improve. As the previous poster mentioned, IFly's 737NG negotiates complex SIDS and STAR's almost perfectly that include multiple speed and altitude steps. The speed window does not surpirse you by opening up as I have seen with 767 payware. IFly did a great job.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 01:44 PM

I own the iFly and im very impressed with it, although looking at the screens from NGX then it really doesnt have a patch on that! I'll be buying the NGX for sure, Just hope the frames are as good as what i get in the JS41 (iFly is a lot harde on frames and i have a hefty rig).

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 03:41 AM

The iFly 737 is good, it is sufficient for the majority of simmers although it may not meet the needs of the fanatics. Having said that, it is available now and doesn't come with attitude :(

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 10:54 AM

I have heard great things about the IFLY one, especially what you get for the price. Anyway, the PMDG one is just taking a while, so most likely wont be out till the end of the year..Not to worry :-)

Won't be out till the end of the year ? I think you will be surprised. Check out the pmdg forums.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:41 AM

Won't be out till the end of the year ? I think you will be surprised. Check out the pmdg forums.

Not sure what they could provide to justify two 737's? We shall see.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:57 AM

lol.... this thread is funny.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:26 PM

Not sure what they could provide to justify two 737's? We shall see.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 02:51 PM

Won't be out till the end of the year ? I think you will be surprised. Check out the pmdg forums.

Yes, it seems the thing is finally about to be released. But after all the waiting, the hype and the endless forum threads, I feel bored with it already. And we still have the overblown, gushing praise to wade through in a few days time..Ian





   
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