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#1 Erol

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 04:37 PM

Hi,I am looking to buy either the PMDG 777-200 or the Captain Sim 767.Right now the PMDG 777 is still in (very low) development but I want a plane that can do trans-atlantic flights and is also as close to the real aircraft. And to be honest, i hate to wait :)The PMDG MD11 looks also fine but its more expensive and I am not sure if its FSX native or just an FS2004 airplane made to work in FSX?Any suggestions are welcome.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 04:42 PM

I'd get the Level D 767.http://www.leveldsim...vensix_home.asp

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:06 PM

I agree with Ryan. If you are looking at possibly buying a 767, then go with the LDS767 if you don't mind outdated graphics. If you really want PMDG, then the MD-11 and 747 are both fine aircraft. Both were developed for FS2004, although the MD-11 actually started its life at FSX only in the beginning, a FS2004 version was made only after the FSX version was released. For the 747 it's the other way around, but in all honesty, the difference in FPS I see between these planes is quite small.EDIT: Just to add... From my personal experience, I always found the MD-11 to be a far more intreesting to plane to operate and fly than the 747. It works differently, and I find that very refreshing. Which remidsn me that I ought to fly the Leonardo Maddog again sometime soon.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:06 PM

The MD11 is fully FSX native, but that's about all I know about it.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:14 PM

The MD11 is fully FSX native, but that's about all I know about it.

This is true, plus if your system CPU is not running close to 3.8 Ghz MD11 probs your best choice cause its less CPU hungary than CS767.I have most the stuff from PMDG and CSCS767 has just been updated to v1.5, MD11 not been touched up in years, not that it really needs it though.If you only care about a/c simulation and cocpit views go PMDG.Me i prefer the above but also like full feature cabin / wing view from inside cabin, this you only get with captain sim, PMDG cabin views are like a scene from SAW2.This is why i would always choose Captain sim over PMDG, Captain sim do the whole plane , not just the cockpit. PMDG aircraft systems tend to have less bugs though and more FPS friendly, usually.It may be worth alos checking the PMDG 747 series, lots of cheap addons if you got basepack, there 747-8i, DreamLifter etc.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:54 PM

Thanks for the replies.The Level-D 767 does'nt meet the graphic standards i am looking for.My system specs. for a better suggestion/advice.Windows 7 X64Intel I5 750 native quad core 4x 2.67 Ghz12 GB DDR3 RAM 833 MHZATI Radeon HD5670 with 1 GB DDR4 Ram

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:57 PM

Thanks for the replies.The Level-D 767 does'nt meet the graphic standards i am looking for.My system specs. for a better suggestion/advice.Windows 7 X64Intel I5 750 native quad core 4x 2.67 Ghz12 GB DDR3 RAM 833 MHZATI Radeon HD5670 with 1 GB DDR4 Ram

I would go with the MD11.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:09 PM

There is always CLS and Wilco Airbus series, they probably cheaper than everything mentioned here so far, systems not as detailed as CS and PMDG , but Graphics are goood, easy to learn how to fly, plus you get a few heavies with each airbus series not just one.with 2.6Ghz i will recommend you go CLS Airbus series, framefriendly like default a/c.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:47 PM

If you're looking for the flying experience the Level D is the way to go. I agree the graphics are somewhat dated but the flight experience, fms operation, flight ddynamix are very, very god.Dave

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:29 PM

Why limit the choice to those planes, the 757 will do the job nicely, as the wear n tear on my Quality Wings 757-200 shows :-)http://www.boeing.co...pf_200tech.html

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:02 PM

First off whatever you do I would stay well clear of CS. I and many others have had very bad experiences with them, I cannot emphasize enough what a terrible company they are. Read the forums before you drop coin. I bought their 767 and they are marketing a product where they expect you to modify config files, spend many hours troubleshooting and pulling your hair out for the second worst in customer service, 1st is Ariane Designs. They drop ALL support tickets with an auto generated email telling you this topic has been covered before and to look at their cluttered faq or forum, in which you will not find any answers of course.I also had the LDS767 and flew it for 100's of hours in fs9 and loved it but you can do much better today with graphics so I did not buy the FSX version and I am now 100% on FSX.PMDG as far as I am concerned is the only company I buy aircraft from now, no one else is up to their standards. I have spend much time with the NGX and is by far the best FS aircraft I have ever had and I have had many. If you are looking for a really good long range widebody you must get the MD11. In my opinion it is the second best aircraft ever made for FS, the 3rd being the PMDG 747 Queen of the skies of course! I consider myself to be a very picky SOB when it comes to this stuff and their is nothing more I hate than a company who rushed a product out and took shortcuts. PMDG does not do this.Running an FSX default jet start on a $50 dollar airplane just ####### me off. I have uninstalled the CS 767 due to numerous other problems with sound files and just kissed that $50 goodby and chalked it up to another learning lesson. What was my first most painful learning lesson you might ask? Buying the Ariane BBJ for $97.00. What was I thinking!I just dont want you to go down the road I had to go down. Buy the PMDG MD11 or 747 or wait for the 777.Good luck and god speed mate

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:09 PM

Buy the NGX or MD-11. These are two of the best aircraft ever made for FS.Stay away from Captain Sim. Nothing CS makes is even in the same galaxy as PMDG.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 12:30 AM

Just confirming for the OP that both our 747 and MD-11 are fully native FSX models, sounds etc. Neither is an FS9 port.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 12:41 AM

First off whatever you do I would stay well clear of CS. I and many others have had very bad experiences with them, I cannot emphasize enough what a terrible company they are. Read the forums before you drop coin. I bought their 767 and they are marketing a product where they expect you to modify config files, spend many hours troubleshooting and pulling your hair out for the second worst in customer service, 1st is Ariane Designs. They drop ALL support tickets with an auto generated email telling you this topic has been covered before and to look at their cluttered faq or forum, in which you will not find any answers of course.*trimmed*

They're at not that bad Posted Image I wouldn't discount Captain Sim so easily. Captain Sim for some reason appears to be the most attacked developer for Flight Simulator, but they have great products. I do agree that you should read the forums first. Honestly, I would always suggest before buying ANYTHING to research what you are wanting to buy. Though I would like to counter the negative comments by saying that I own Captain Sim's 757, 767, and 777-200, and I'm a very happy customer. They are great looking and highly detailed aircraft. Captain Sim doesn't require any modification of any files to get them to work. It is just as easy as a PMDG product to get started. Also the 767 and 757 have a full functioning VC and FMC like the LevelD 767 and PMDG 747. Going from the LevelD 767 to the CaptainSim 767 is easy. I made a repaint for the 767 and that worked out quite well.As far as their 777-200 looks nice, but isn't finished. It doesn't have any VC, but they clearly state what you are getting in the "pre-release" product. The nice thing is that Captain Sim promises a discount on the final release build for those that bought in early.My issues for all their planes is that they don't seem to optimize the VCs that well. They look fantastic, but hit my FPS hard. Though the FPS hit is not far from what I've had with the PMDG 737 NGX.The issue with the 757 and 767 that as been particularly annoying is no avionics/radios when starting from a cold and dark cockpit. The problem is that if the "Master Avionics Switch" was turned off on your default FSX flight, then your radios and avionics will never turn on in the Captain Sim 757 or 767 with out you having to set a hot-key to turn on or fix the default flight to have it turned on. It kinda takes me out of the experience a bit, but it is a game after all.The ACE software that lets you configure the layout is not as nice as the LevelD configuration tool or PMDGs. It lets you load passengers and cargo, but wish it gave a calculated ZFW and CG%. Not a deal breaker, but I'm a little lazy about doing the math in my head.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 02:07 AM

when it comes to this stuff and their is nothing more I hate than a company who rushed a product out and took shortcuts. PMDG does not do this.

I like CS planes probably more than PMDG cause CS do cabins not just cockpit. But the quote above is definatly something that CS could be accused of 100%.CS, Its bad idea to let people feel its best to stay away from version 1.0 of your products, i got CS767 version 1.0 , had to spend too many hours/ days trying to fix the AP flight dynamics myself. And am not too happy with the cs767 overwashed look VC concept, makes CS 767 VC look like its ready to be decomissioned. On the plus side, CS forums is always active and you can get good help there, (for things that have a fix), yeh probs best to go PMDG if you dont want to take a risk of buying something that might give you hassle. Cause cs757/767 had major issues with flight dynamics, plane shaking, wobbling at cruise all kinds of things that would put you off, and seems even patches released to fix these issues even made it worse.Overall CS make A/C agood as PMDG, but seems like CS has not cracked the tech for a/c flight dynamics under autopilot control.CS and Wilco are my main a/c addon company, but that is only cause they do cabin views, From PMDG and the rest i only buy what CS and Wilco dont have.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 02:21 AM

Don't go with the CS767. Eventhough I bought it in one of their super sales (5 euro if I'm not mistaking), if you would look at the ratio use/costs, this is the addon with by far the lowest score in my FSX collection (and trust me; that's a big and VERY expensive one (but don't tell my wife Posted Image )).If you feel the LDS-767 is outdated due to its graphics (which is a shame, because you miss out on one of the best FSX aircraft out there), I fully concur with the above proposed PMDG MD-11.The MD-11 is very, very good, FULLY FSX and because it's not a Boeing it's quite refreshing in learning it's avionics and system logic / philosophy.If you want to stick with a Boeing, get the PMDG 744. Although a bit outdated compared to the MD-11 (or NGX for that matter), it's still one of my favourites.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 02:27 AM

Overall CS make A/C agood as PMDG, but seems like CS has not cracked the tech for a/c flight dynamics under autopilot control.

If I were a PMDG-staffmember, I would consider this to a huge insult. CS and PMDG may be near eachother in terms of 3D modelling and texturing, but when it comes to systems simulation (which is actually the hard part because you need to design algorithms and have a very thorough knowledge of the actual aircraft), PMDG is LIGHTYEARS ahead of CS.

CS and Wilco are my main a/c addon company, but that is only cause they do cabin views, From PMDG and the rest i only buy what CS and Wilco dont have.

I'm sorry, but if having a cabin view is your main selection criteria, you're missing out on a whole part of the Flight simulation experience.Not bashing you, but I feel your comparison between CS and PMDG is like comparing an ultralight to a 787 and saying they are very similar...

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 03:34 AM

I'd go with MD11 and if you're not familiar with it I'd throw in Angle of Attack MD11 Training. It's superb! They both are. I had great experience going this way.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 09:58 AM

I'd go with MD11 and if you're not familiar with it I'd throw in Angle of Attack MD11 Training. It's superb! They both are. I had great experience going this way.

+1000000MD11 is the best heavy for FS and with good training you'll master it pretty soon.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 11:39 AM

It all depends on what you are after. If you want highly detailed and realistic systems and flight model simulation go with PMDG. On the other hand if you don't like to read 1000 page manuals and just want to stare at the pretty "stewardess" model while hanging out in seat 210 go with CS. Their visual models are stunning. In fact my biggest dream is that someone makes an airplane with all the best parts of PMDG and CS but currently none exists. I would have to say that I am much more engrossed in the flying part than the non flying part so I go with PMDG. It is good however to do an instant replay from the passenger cabin so as to enjoy some of the expensive scenery I buy.And yes CS products never does the quality control they are supposed to so while some get lucky and have no problems others do because of all the different system configs and FS configs with add ons and such. You are taking a risk with CS that you are not with PMDG generally speaking.The main point for me to all this is a company's customer service. I tried to make the CS767 work because it was OK enough (except for the ported over engine start). I had it when I tried to get support over a sound issue and if you re-read my post above this is just unacceptable customer service. So that was the straw right there and I uninstalled it and vowed never to buy another product from this company again. There are to many good products out there to waste time with a company who does this.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 09:12 PM

I've been flying the Level-D 767 and I must say she flies fantastic. The Aircraft model isn't as good as Captain Sims but system wise, I've been told by Real World 767 Pilots that its pretty realistic. I don't think we'll see PMDG's 777 for another year or more. Captain Sims however we could see in the New Year, I'm buying ASAP! I think people should stop judging on past experiences with the Company and give them a shot with it as I feel it could be good! But hay every new product has their flaws. What doesn't? Everything these days does, iPhones, Xbox/PS3 Games! I'm not saying the CS 777 will be perfect but I'm saying if they can produce as much detail as they did with the 767 with a more frame rate friendly Model/VC then that's a winner! The Model gives fantastic FPS. I remember I had their 757 back when I flew on FS9 but can't remember to much.So defiantly get the Level-D 767, PMDG 747 or MD-11. PMDG's NGX looks great but I only really fly long haul, which is why i'm desperate for a Pro Line 777 + it's my favourite Aircraft of all time!

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 05:22 AM

On the other hand if you don't like to read 1000 page manuals and just want to stare at the pretty "stewardess" model while hanging out in seat 210 go with CS. Their visual models are stunning. In fact my biggest dream is that someone makes an airplane with all the best parts of PMDG and CS but currently none exists.

I must say that CS seems to have some faults in its models. Is highly detailed, but it doesn't seem highly accurate to me. The shape of the displays in the VC are quite wrong I think after comparing them to photographs. The LDS767 might be outdated graphically, but the modeling is more accurate.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 07:43 PM

Thanks for the replies.The Level-D 767 does'nt meet the graphic standards i am looking for.My system specs. for a better suggestion/advice.Windows 7 X64Intel I5 750 native quad core 4x 2.67 Ghz12 GB DDR3 RAM 833 MHZATI Radeon HD5670 with 1 GB DDR4 Ram

Don't go with the CS767. Eventhough I bought it in one of their super sales (5 euro if I'm not mistaking), if you would look at the ratio use/costs, this is the addon with by far the lowest score in my FSX collection (and trust me; that's a big and VERY expensive one (but don't tell my wife http://static.avsim.net/forum//public/st... )).If you feel the LDS-767 is outdated due to its graphics (which is a shame, because you miss out on one of the best FSX aircraft out there), I fully concur with the above proposed PMDG MD-11.The MD-11 is very, very good, FULLY FSX and because it's not a Boeing it's quite refreshing in learning it's avionics and system logic / philosophy.If you want to stick with a Boeing, get the PMDG 744. Although a bit outdated compared to the MD-11 (or NGX for that matter), it's still one of my favourites.

If you want good visuals, then just get textures from Mcphatt Studios!

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 02:10 AM

I must say that CS seems to have some faults in its models. Is highly detailed, but it doesn't seem highly accurate to me. The shape of the displays in the VC are quite wrong I think after comparing them to photographs. The LDS767 might be outdated graphically, but the modeling is more accurate.

+1The CS767's display size and ratio are wrong.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 10:22 AM

Captainsim is just as good as PMDG. Captain sim has gotten alot of negative reviews mostly from people who i believe are just impatient and edgy to begin with. No product will be perfect, even PMDG has had to make updates to fix problem. The funny thing is that most people never see those problem because they dont fully utilize all of the features of the aircraft. CaptainSim has alot of good aircrafts and despite the high FPS of their aircrafts, it is still a good buy. If some of you prefer LEVEL D then fine...but don't try to create a negative public perception of something simply because you don't like it. I have seen both products and I can honestly say with an unbiased opinion that they are one and the same only with captain sim having a better model. Does level D have more systems? ok it might but how many of us actually use them all? ......If you want to decide on what aircraft you want to buy....do ur own research ( look at the aircrafts, features etc ) and make the decision that YOU feel comfortable with...in most cases you won't regret it.





   
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