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Don't go with the CS767. Eventhough I bought it in one of their super sales (5 euro if I'm not mistaking), if you would look at the ratio use/costs, this is the addon with by far the lowest score in my FSX collection (and trust me; that's a big and VERY expensive one (but don't tell my wife tongue.png )).If you feel the LDS-767 is outdated due to its graphics (which is a shame, because you miss out on one of the best FSX aircraft out there), I fully concur with the above proposed PMDG MD-11.The MD-11 is very, very good, FULLY FSX and because it's not a Boeing it's quite refreshing in learning it's avionics and system logic / philosophy.If you want to stick with a Boeing, get the PMDG 744. Although a bit outdated compared to the MD-11 (or NGX for that matter), it's still one of my favourites.


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Overall CS make A/C agood as PMDG, but seems like CS has not cracked the tech for a/c flight dynamics under autopilot control.
If I were a PMDG-staffmember, I would consider this to a huge insult. CS and PMDG may be near eachother in terms of 3D modelling and texturing, but when it comes to systems simulation (which is actually the hard part because you need to design algorithms and have a very thorough knowledge of the actual aircraft), PMDG is LIGHTYEARS ahead of CS.
CS and Wilco are my main a/c addon company, but that is only cause they do cabin views, From PMDG and the rest i only buy what CS and Wilco dont have.
I'm sorry, but if having a cabin view is your main selection criteria, you're missing out on a whole part of the Flight simulation experience.Not bashing you, but I feel your comparison between CS and PMDG is like comparing an ultralight to a 787 and saying they are very similar...

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I'd go with MD11 and if you're not familiar with it I'd throw in Angle of Attack MD11 Training. It's superb! They both are. I had great experience going this way.
+1000000MD11 is the best heavy for FS and with good training you'll master it pretty soon.

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It all depends on what you are after. If you want highly detailed and realistic systems and flight model simulation go with PMDG. On the other hand if you don't like to read 1000 page manuals and just want to stare at the pretty "stewardess" model while hanging out in seat 210 go with CS. Their visual models are stunning. In fact my biggest dream is that someone makes an airplane with all the best parts of PMDG and CS but currently none exists. I would have to say that I am much more engrossed in the flying part than the non flying part so I go with PMDG. It is good however to do an instant replay from the passenger cabin so as to enjoy some of the expensive scenery I buy.And yes CS products never does the quality control they are supposed to so while some get lucky and have no problems others do because of all the different system configs and FS configs with add ons and such. You are taking a risk with CS that you are not with PMDG generally speaking.The main point for me to all this is a company's customer service. I tried to make the CS767 work because it was OK enough (except for the ported over engine start). I had it when I tried to get support over a sound issue and if you re-read my post above this is just unacceptable customer service. So that was the straw right there and I uninstalled it and vowed never to buy another product from this company again. There are to many good products out there to waste time with a company who does this.

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I've been flying the Level-D 767 and I must say she flies fantastic. The Aircraft model isn't as good as Captain Sims but system wise, I've been told by Real World 767 Pilots that its pretty realistic. I don't think we'll see PMDG's 777 for another year or more. Captain Sims however we could see in the New Year, I'm buying ASAP! I think people should stop judging on past experiences with the Company and give them a shot with it as I feel it could be good! But hay every new product has their flaws. What doesn't? Everything these days does, iPhones, Xbox/PS3 Games! I'm not saying the CS 777 will be perfect but I'm saying if they can produce as much detail as they did with the 767 with a more frame rate friendly Model/VC then that's a winner! The Model gives fantastic FPS. I remember I had their 757 back when I flew on FS9 but can't remember to much.So defiantly get the Level-D 767, PMDG 747 or MD-11. PMDG's NGX looks great but I only really fly long haul, which is why i'm desperate for a Pro Line 777 + it's my favourite Aircraft of all time!

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On the other hand if you don't like to read 1000 page manuals and just want to stare at the pretty "stewardess" model while hanging out in seat 210 go with CS. Their visual models are stunning. In fact my biggest dream is that someone makes an airplane with all the best parts of PMDG and CS but currently none exists.
I must say that CS seems to have some faults in its models. Is highly detailed, but it doesn't seem highly accurate to me. The shape of the displays in the VC are quite wrong I think after comparing them to photographs. The LDS767 might be outdated graphically, but the modeling is more accurate.

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Thanks for the replies.The Level-D 767 does'nt meet the graphic standards i am looking for.My system specs. for a better suggestion/advice.Windows 7 X64Intel I5 750 native quad core 4x 2.67 Ghz12 GB DDR3 RAM 833 MHZATI Radeon HD5670 with 1 GB DDR4 Ram
Don't go with the CS767. Eventhough I bought it in one of their super sales (5 euro if I'm not mistaking), if you would look at the ratio use/costs, this is the addon with by far the lowest score in my FSX collection (and trust me; that's a big and VERY expensive one (but don't tell my wife tongue.png )).If you feel the LDS-767 is outdated due to its graphics (which is a shame, because you miss out on one of the best FSX aircraft out there), I fully concur with the above proposed PMDG MD-11.The MD-11 is very, very good, FULLY FSX and because it's not a Boeing it's quite refreshing in learning it's avionics and system logic / philosophy.If you want to stick with a Boeing, get the PMDG 744. Although a bit outdated compared to the MD-11 (or NGX for that matter), it's still one of my favourites.
If you want good visuals, then just get textures from Mcphatt Studios!

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I must say that CS seems to have some faults in its models. Is highly detailed, but it doesn't seem highly accurate to me. The shape of the displays in the VC are quite wrong I think after comparing them to photographs. The LDS767 might be outdated graphically, but the modeling is more accurate.
+1The CS767's display size and ratio are wrong.

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Captainsim is just as good as PMDG. Captain sim has gotten alot of negative reviews mostly from people who i believe are just impatient and edgy to begin with. No product will be perfect, even PMDG has had to make updates to fix problem. The funny thing is that most people never see those problem because they dont fully utilize all of the features of the aircraft. CaptainSim has alot of good aircrafts and despite the high FPS of their aircrafts, it is still a good buy. If some of you prefer LEVEL D then fine...but don't try to create a negative public perception of something simply because you don't like it. I have seen both products and I can honestly say with an unbiased opinion that they are one and the same only with captain sim having a better model. Does level D have more systems? ok it might but how many of us actually use them all? ......If you want to decide on what aircraft you want to buy....do ur own research ( look at the aircrafts, features etc ) and make the decision that YOU feel comfortable with...in most cases you won't regret it.



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I recon you are quiet familiar with teh pmdg md11 Caribpilot? Btw can you help me merge my duplicate account as I could not login anymore, therefore i had to create this new account.

 

Check out the forum reply of PMDG staff people, have you seen captain sim or level d staff participating on forums lately?

That's why i prefer PMDG now, they actually care :-)

 

I bought their NGX last year and it rocks, but wanted to fly trans atlantic and it won't do unless of course you cheat and set teh fuel on unlimited ghehe :)

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Sorry, but I am going to pull a Howard Stern here and say what's on my mind. Sorry if I insult anyone here but to the ones that think CS is in the same level as PMDG you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Like come on. That's just bloody nonsense. Give the old noggin a shake. I have 3 CS addons. Some a few years old and CS STILL hasn't fixed the bugs. Comparing CS to PMDG is like comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Bentley. I would say its like comparing apples to oranges but I wouldn't even put CS in the fruit category.

For the ones that keep going on about CS doing a great cabin, etc, just remember this isn't meant to be a flight attendant simulator! CS tries to dazzle you with cabin crap, flushing toilet, a coffee pot so they can take our attention away fom the systems thy forgot to simulate properly.

Sorry for being blunt buy I get tired of seeing people trying to convince prospective customers that the sky is purple when it is clearly blue.

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Captain sim has gotten alot of negative reviews mostly from people who i believe are just impatient and edgy to begin with

 

I guess could be a little more patient, maybe a little less edgy...but waiting years for a fixpack is a LONG TIME!!!

 

But seriously, CS is equal to PMDG? LevelD? My CS 757 FMC always tells me I don't have enough fuel, but then it changes its mind. It once told me I was going to travel 300nm in only 10 minutes; I planned acordingly, and was LATE! This stuff is way to obvious to be overlooked. I can look past some things, but when its right there in your face, it just ruins the whole experience.

 

PMDG set the example of how to deal with bugs. You know they going to be there when the product is released, so be prepared to address them. Do it right away, and give your paying customers some priority. They support you, you support them. After CS releases a product, it goes to the back of the line. When the bugs show up, you wait for them to cycle through all their new and old projects before you get a fixpack. My opinion is finish the project, then move on.


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