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Posted 13 December 2011 - 11:57 AM
Purchased it, installed it, had a quick look, removed it at once.Texturesliveries: I have better textures on my AI fleet.Model: Well.... it looks like a boeing 737, but sub par for this price.VC: I think I may be a bit spoiled by PMDG`s NGX, so this is ok i guess. I only wish they had worked a bit more on the cockpit lighting. either on or off is not really good enough.this is only my humble opinion, but I don`t think it`s worth the money.regardsBjørn Erik Henriksen
Posted 13 December 2011 - 12:20 PM
To be honest, I believe you. I'm downloading it now, having come home from work (finally). Will install later and post a quick impression. The screenshots do not look very good though, I agree. Somebody might be able to make that better though. I have myself more often done such modes if I wasn't happy with textures. All in all, the screenshots give the impression that the modeling is not that good. But, I bought it because I know the quality of the older 737 PIC version. So, we'll see if the panel is still as good. And no, you can't compare it to the 737NGX...
Purchased it, installed it, had a quick look, removed it at once. Texturesliveries: I have better textures on my AI fleet. Model: Well.... it looks like a boeing 737, but sub par for this price. VC: I think I may be a bit spoiled by PMDG`s NGX, so this is ok i guess. I only wish they had worked a bit more on the cockpit lighting. either on or off is not really good enough. this is only my humble opinion, but I don`t think it`s worth the money. regards Bjørn Erik Henriksen
Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:11 PM
Hi Fabrizio, It Seems like that from the page, odd thought they were going to give a decent discount to owners of 737 pic v1 to be honest I could never understand wilco's attitude with customer's being in business for so long.
There no discount for older version, just the SPECIAL LAUNCH OFFER ?
Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:20 PM
Installing and first flight impressions.The installer reminds about watching the Win7 related information on the Wilco site. I think they are talking about the usual UAC, 'as admin' and av off thingies. However, installing it was easy. You get a code, it states it will be online checked, it installs on Win7/64.Important note. My dll.xml is still valid. It added the one dll entry for the Evolution and all is fine.Tons of liveries included in the 'Deluxe' and from looking quickly, all come with winglets and without. Every variant (300/400/500) has the model files for winglets and without them included. I prefer the non winglet ones.The setup tool is pretty much like on the E-Jets and ERJ (both V2), so you can set key commands, payload and stuff. They've also added a nice engine rating option and some other stuff which is above the detail e. g. the E-Jets showed. Nice touch.On the more detailed stuff, there's an option for the buffet margins, IRS align times, how the AP handles yoke inputs and the aspect ratio of the panels.The manuals are a short overview on e. g. how to get ground power running. It also explains the config tool options, but the main part is the one from Mike Ray, explaining how to start a 737 in his very special way.There also comes a checklist in a useful format, in two to be precise. V-speed table and things, it's there. But don't expect thousands of pages, maybe find those in the library.First start in the sim. The FO welcomes you and you will hear him calling V1 and stuff too.You can define the startup state in the config tool. For VC impressions, check the following screenshots. Preferences are different, so while some folks may surprisingly state that they miss their NGX, some others may say that this is a nice Classic, and like it for exactly this. Note. I still heavily fly my Maddog and prefer it over some other releases for the atmosphere and details given. Me is biased I guess. I've done a ton of night shots and while my talent is dangerously limited when it comes to screenshots, I hope I've caught every panel a bit. Sad factor is the static on-off nature of the lighting. However, I can live with the impression and did not expect Wilco/Feelthere to come up with an optical milestone of 2011. Again, preferences.First flight and systems impression. Better than expected. I could see some not default (but also maybe not rw) startup times and I could also read different loads on the APU, which is nice.Downside for me was the trim wheel, being too fast and missing the nice sound I had on the iFly. I've heard that scratching on so many cockpit videos, so maybe I have a bias now. The flaps come out very fast, maybe too fast. Hand flying is a treat, while I think the displays could be sharper in the VC. They have a popup though and you can alter the way they behave fps wise and also on how the antialiasing is done. So feel free to check those settings, they are there for a reason I think. My impression just is what it is, a first look.The 2D setup seems to be complete. So there is a throttle. I'm a VC only flyer, but maybe some folks are interested in how 2D looks on this plane.Strange thing, the WR did not come up in the VC, but in 2D. As these are my first minutes on that ship, I can't rule out to have done something wrong.Extra note. There is a setup item in the config tool to alter widescreen and normal. So I think 4:3 guys can still fly her, but I haven't tested it. My shots are done with the 'widescreen' digital option.Overall first impression of mine. As expected, no optical highlight but the day shots are very ok for me. The night comes with a downside, but all panels in the VC use clickspots I can reach and operate. They could be a bit slow on the MCP, but there's no 'oh no! not that one!' moment like on the first iFly rendition for example.I still have to check how the logics behind dragging a switch or clicking a switch works. As said, first few minutes here.My small VRInsight M-Panel connected without extra setup and could drive the AP and radios. This is nice and maybe helps some folks looking for hardware support.The outside comes in nice shape for me. The night shots show transparent windows and, for the guys really caring about that detail, the pilots move in the outside view.The engine sounds are a bit too low for me. I've tuned down the other ones, but I think I'll go for a replacement soundset or at least some other settings. This, again, is personal preference. My iFly and NGX are more powerful on the CFM sounds, so maybe I'm biased again.For the shots, here's the album. http://imageshack.us.../57710599m.jpg/Some teasers. Find the rest in the above link. They include 2D, VC, outside and all of this day and night.On the price tag. I'm ok, but not impressed. However, I think that package with the three models and no more costs to come could be nice for some. The iFly set a new benchmark on the package value, so it's no surprise that Wilco has a harder time now. Of course, I truly hope for everything to work nice and stable, otherwise I
will have to hope for some improved support.I think you guys have a point about the missing discount for V1 owners. No first minute major flaws. I did not fall out of the sky and I also had a decent framerate around the default KSEA where I usually test new birds.
Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:52 PM
Lets see.-500Air BalticBoeing HouseBMI BabySASLufthansaSky EuropeANALOTSouthwest-400BABrussels AirlinesBoeing HouseAlaskaJet4YouKLMVirgin BlueScandinavian AirlinesUS AirwaysQantasOlympic AirlinesJAL Express-300TNTGaruda IndonesiaBoeing HouseEurope AirpostContinentalAir BerlinUnitedKorongoDeltaKLMSouthwestLufthansaJet2China SouthernMost of the above come as winglet and non winglet versions.I'm looking for FS2Crew now. Would be nice to get it for the Evolution. What does Bryan say?
Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:57 PM
My short view follows:Install is standard Wilco procedure, with exactly the same installer as they have used for ages. All follows through and works well. In FSX I am no greeted by a very wide range of airlines. I must say that in general the model looks okay to me, but some repaints seem to lack frames for the cockpit windows, and none of them have frames for the cabin windows. A bit strange I find, but oh well. I could add them in manually at a later stage. But overall, I'm quite pleased with the amount of liveries and their quality.The panel seems pretty solid to me for as far as I have looked at it, but that shouldn't be much of a surprise. It's basically the old 737 PIC panel with extras added on to it, if I understood correctly. I did some switch flicking and overall the systems responded in the way I expected them to. The 2D panels are something I never really use anymore, and in this addon I think I probably will never use them at all, except for the FMC 2D panel. That specific 2D panel didn't look that good to me. The graphcis are nice, yes, but the text seems to not fit that well into it. It's as if it spills over the sides of the displays. The again, I don't know if this happens all the time or not - I barely looked at it still.The VC is not beauty. I find this a pity, because I wa shoping for a good VC. I find that the geometry is off, it doesn't seem really accurate to me. However, if you move the eyepoint down a bit, it becomes a bit better. To give a rough impression, various gauges seem to be too big or too small, the gear lever for example is huge. The overhead looks okay but many switches move inaccurately in that their positions seme to be too extreme. i saw a switch that in its animated position could almost fall out of the overhead because it was hardly connected to the panel it belonged on.The sounds seem okay to me, although the engine sounds were audible even though I had stopped the engines. This annoys me a lot to be honest. For the rest, switches and knobs make the sounds they should, so that's nice.As for performance, like many feelthere/Wilco products, the FPS are a bit low. At the same place, the PMDG 737NGX (which always tends to be a bit low on the FPS) has about 5 FPS more. As such, I'm not sure I'll be able to use it in the bigger hubs I tend to fly into, instead using it in less demanding airports.Bottom line after this half our visit to the pit, is that I think it looks rushed to release. if more time was spent on the VC, it could have looked much, much better, and obvious errors such as engine soudns being audible fater engine shutdown could have been avoided. Of course I will fly this plane, for I have been waiting for ages for a a classic 737. It might grow on me like the previous 737 PIC did, and it's a nice addition to the fleet. I can't do but be a bit disappointed however. I really hoped for a VC that at least would have been more accurate.Please do remember that this is absed on a cursory inspection of about 30 minutes and really is just a really quick look at a new aircraft addon that might get several patches still (like always happens).By the way, you actually have some choices for cockpit displays, being either analog or digital. I think this is a very nice tough!
Posted 13 December 2011 - 02:01 PM
Benjamin, I don't have that sound problem here. Engines off and there's silence, except for the airflow thingies. Did that small dll get loaded on FSX start? It should have asked for the rights to run it.I'm ok with the gear lever too. Imagine a link to airliners.net. But the Classic cockpits over there show a huge lever.I think the yokes are too far aft though, but maybe I'm seeing things the wrong way. I'm using EZCA and TrackIR and therefore have altered the viewpoint to my liking.
Posted 13 December 2011 - 02:19 PM
No problem.I saw that the -500 Boeing thumbnails are mixed up. The text says no winglets (which is true), but the picture shows a winglet version.Benjamin, I've tried again with the -500 in the Boeing livery. Engines off and silence comes. As expected and in both views. Please check that dll, maybe it plays a role here.Edited. Ah, when you toggle the views a bit, the sound suddenly hangs in the outside position, so there's a noise. Toggle 'Q' and it goes away. Seems to happen only once. I can't trigger it any more after it happened and received the magic 'Q' toggle.Here's a fan blade shot. Out of context.I've altered the trim wheel sound by the way. The FeelThereb737 v2Sounds folder gives plenty of opportunities for customization. Just in case.
Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:13 PM
Guys - I do not hope that this is a correct install - otherwise i'm really getting angry...Submitted a ticket at wilco just now - any ideas of what semmes to be the problem? Downloaded and installed as per instructions - twice! http://imageshack.us...9/vcnight1.jpg/http://imageshack.us...6/vcnight2.jpg/It's unflyable at the moment...Mas
Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:22 PM
In the panel.cfg, the window06 gauge is missing.
I can not get the EFIS panel to come up in the 2d panel even after clicking the mini panel top left,any ideas?
[Window06]size_mm=297,187position=0visible=0window_pos=0.0, 0.117window_size=0.155, 0.173BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0ident=103There should be agauge00=b737c2Pedestal!DCP, 0, 0, 297,187line.It's there in the other configs, so you can alter the panel setup itself or just add that line I think.
Sorry for asking, but can you describe the problem? Bad night lighting? I have some shots attached in the previous posts. I think it pretty much looks that way in the sim.
Guys - I do not hope that this is a correct install - otherwise i'm really getting angry...It's unflyable at the moment...Mas