24 replies to this topic

[Appliance]

On 3rd February, after 66 years of operations, the Hungarian national airline has ceased flying. http://en.wikipedia....garian_Airlines

[Dillon]

Wow... :blink:I just read what they owed at the time of shutdown...

[Johan_Dees]

Another one bites the dust.Not a suprise, others will follow with those taxes and prices these days.

[psolk]

ugh, here comes another AI modification, just when I finally got rid of Hapag-Lloyd this morning!!Can't keep up anymore!but in all seriousness, a sad day for the airline and all its employees...

[Johan_Dees]

Hapag also gone? since when?Not that it really matters, in my backdated world PanAm still flies with early 707´s.But I have a modern version also at hand.. :-)

[psolk]

Johan_Dees, on 03 February 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Hapag also gone? since when?Not that it really matters, in my backdated world PanAm still flies with early 707´s.But I have a modern version also at hand.. :-)

Haha, you still have clippers making the pacific passes Johan? ;)  All the Hapag airlines became Tuifly I believe, it is hard to keep up sometimes!!Cheers Johan,-P

[Rafal]

Yes, very sad. I was hoping it would not happen. :sad:I had a lot of enjoyable RW flights with Malev on their Tupolevs and then boeings.

Johan_Dees, on 03 February 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Hapag also gone?

I guess Paul may have meant the legacy Hapag-Lloyd livery in one of his packages?Years ago Hapag was merged into the TUIfly group and TUIfly is still operating (making the skies more yellow).

[Johan_Dees]

psolk, on 03 February 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Haha, you still have clippers making the pacific passes Johan? ;)  All the Hapag airlines became Tuifly I believe, it is hard to keep up sometimes!!Cheers Johan,-P

Yes, you can say I am lagging behind now, or.. euh back in time, when it was more fun. No more button pushing for me, but real flying.Anyhow, watch out for more, oil prices go up fast now, thanks Israel-US, we will see more closures this year I think.

[psolk]

You are correct Rafal, I did the Hapag for Tui swap this am!!!Wow Johan, I don't really want this to get political but that is a pretty simplistic view of things...  Perhaps we should stick to Flightsim topics...

[Johan_Dees]

Your right, slip of the pen, euh.. keyboard. It will take a whole forum to talk about politic crap. I was just annoyed to see gas prices going thru the roof here, with THAT excuse. Back to propliners, since jets are for kids! Lol!!

Edited by Johan_Dees, 03 February 2012 - 05:36 PM.

[psolk]

Hey!!!  Without me on the flight-deck of this 777 from EWR-TLV right now who would tell the computer where to go and taxi to and from the runway!!! ;) AND I just had to press two buttons to shut off the center fuel pumps!  :)

[Johan_Dees]

ROFLMAO.. you just missed the roar of those radials! It will hunt you for the rest of your flight, perhaps life!I have been there and done that, its cool in the beginning, but boring after a couple of years, at least for me it is.Arent we hyjacking this thread now?Malev in better days, and the left woman is the mother of one of the developpers!http://www.flickr.com/photos/59328414@N08/6783555271/

[IAF747]

Johan_Dees, on 03 February 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Another one bites the dust.Not a suprise, others will follow with those taxes and prices these days.

With the EU's new carbon tax on flights Malev is just the start of the Dominoes..........Europe is in very bad shape right now.Can you please post non-FS topics in the Hangar Discussion forum please. This is for discussion on FS2004 if I am not wrong (which I am rpone to be at times).ThanksDaniel

[Appliance]

Hi Daniel.As the creator of this thread I will post it where I jolly well please.I fly FS2004, many simmers fly FS2004 and many simmers fly Malev in many different liveries and aircraft, not to mention AI discussed already above. My post IS relevant, topical and of interest to this bunch of enthusiasts.

[altstiff]

This does belong in the Hanger Chat. If none of us follow the rules this could quickly become the "I play FS9 so I can post about anything" sub section.....

[gwillmot]

Appliance, on 03 February 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

On 3rd February, after 66 years of operations, the Hungarian national airline has ceased flying.

Cheer up everyone!  At least Hungary is still in the game!

[IAF747]

Appliance, on 03 February 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Hi Daniel.As the creator of this thread I will post it where I jolly well please.I fly FS2004, many simmers fly FS2004 and many simmers fly Malev in many different liveries and aircraft, not to mention AI discussed already above. My post IS relevant, topical and of interest to this bunch of enthusiasts.

What part of flight simulator (version FS2004) don't you understand?Appliance is a good name for you I think.Daniel

[linux731]

Aww man this sucks! Especially for the flag-carrier of Hungary!Sad!A lot of airlines are dying!! Spainair, just last week, also ceased operations!

[w6kd]

IAF747, on 03 February 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

With the EU's new carbon tax on flights Malev is just the start of the Dominoes..........Europe is in very bad shape right now.

I don't think this is being driven by the carbon tax...this is the direct result of crippling levels of debt.  At some point the debt pyramid collapses under its own weight.  And there are a lot more carriers all over the world circling the drain for the same reason.

[IAF747]

w6kd, on 04 February 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

I don't think this is being driven by the carbon tax...this is the direct result of crippling levels of debt.  At some point the debt pyramid collapses under its own weight.  And there are a lot more carriers all over the world circling the drain for the same reason.

Quite true Bob. But the carbon tax will make things worse. Australia is even now starting to feel the pain of self destruction of extra taxes here. Qantas is adding $$$ to its fares to cover the tax.For countries in crippling levels of debt the last you need is more taxes! Ouch!!Europe has enjoyed a huge tourism industry for years now, but how can they keep their heads above water by charging tourists more? The tourists are already poor and the more they take in tax the less there is in earning potential for business which provides taxes. Cutting taxes as Reagan did in the Eighties actually brought record tax income for the US Government AND made the US economy BOOM. The last time that happened was in the twenties. The roaring twenties.Just my 'economic' opinion.Daniel

[mgh]

Appliance, on 03 February 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

As the creator of this thread I will post it where I jolly well please.

"...and I won't bother to check if there's already a post in Hangar chat on the same subject either". The moderators have had to waste time moving it to Hangar Chat.

[IAF747]

Appliance, on 03 February 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Hi Daniel.As the creator of this thread I will post it where I jolly well please.I fly FS2004, many simmers fly FS2004 and many simmers fly Malev in many different liveries and aircraft, not to mention AI discussed already above. My post IS relevant, topical and of interest to this bunch of enthusiasts.

Well it is now in Hangar Chat. Must not have been so relevant to your simulator of choice after all.Daniel

[Tom Allensworth]

Appliance, on 03 February 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

Hi Daniel.As the creator of this thread I will post it where I jolly well please.

No you won't. With that attitude, you won't be posting anywhere in these forums. Post topics in their appropriate categories or don't post at all.

[Thralni]

I heard about it - a very sad day! I flew to Budapest with malev last summer and absolutely loved it. Ample space for my feet, nice sandwiches, nice service... Really sad. But, in my simulated world the year will always be 2010, so malev will keep flying in my computer :)

[Captain_Barfbag]

I was listening to National Public Radio a couple of weeks back, and they were talking about people having big problems with their home mortgages in Hungary.  The problem is that mortgages are typically not in the Hungarian currency of the forint, but rather in Swiss Francs.  You can see why banks want the kind of stability this provides, but it's very hard on Hungarian consumers when their mortgages go up by what looks like (quickly glances at graph) over a 20% jump in the past year.If Malev's debt was also in Swiss Francs while their income was in forints, then yeah, that's a problem.